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Mumsnet please help - I am really worried that a child is being neglected. The parents are friends but I need to do something.

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kitegirl · 15/07/2007 07:50

Dear mums & dads
I can't figure out what to do but I need to do something. A couple we know have a 11-month old daughter. The parents used to be quite good friends back in the days when we moved in big grops from bar to bar in London, before children came along. Now we see them whenever this group of friends gets together, lastly last night at a barbeque. Everyone has known since their daughter was born that the mum had problems bonding with her baby. She openly told everyone after a couple of wines that 'her life was ruined' and 'the baby is so difficult and manipulative' etc. The thing is, they have money. So, pretty much as soon as she got home from hospital, she has had a 6-day a week nanny, from 7am to 7pm, she doesn't work. These nannies change practically every month because she is such a nightmare to work for. She gets up late, goes out, and has said that many days she doesn't see her daughter at all because she is 'busy'. They go on holidays a lot, and a few times they have left their baby daughter at home with a nanny for several days. Once, they just hired a temp nanny from an agency two days prior, left their baby with her, and took of for five days.

There's more. The mum has a cocaine problem, and often is out partying until 3-4am. She is in no way capable of doing anything the next day, even if she wanted. The nannies and her husband are sort of keeping it together in that the husband works to provide the money to hire the people caring for their child around the clock. The husband is at his wits end and doesn't know what to do either, he said some shocking things last night about how the mum just doesn't want to have anything to do with their daughter, but he needs to work so that at least someone can look after her. They have no family around. The mum has now admitted depression and is seeing a therapist, who in good psychoanalyst traditions is blaming the husband.

When I hear the father last night telling how her daughter 'has these awful tantrums all the time', people around them have to do something. Everyone is concerned, but no-one wants to intervene because of social conventions. But a 11-month old baby doesn't have frequent tantrums unless she is emotionally permanently insecure, being neglected and in danger of being scarred for life.

I want to call the Social Services but my husband says that we shouldn't. Please tell me what to do, every time I think of this poor little girl I burst into tears.

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Budababe · 15/07/2007 08:01

Oh God - sounds like a nightmare. The poor baby.

Firstly the husband needs to accept that as his wife in clearly incapable of caring for the child and had a drug problem and all of this possibly stems from post-natal depression, he needs to take responsibility for getting it sorted. If that means getting his wife admitted to a residential facility for a few weeks then his may need to do that.

If the wife is out of the dyanamic and not manipulating the nannies maybe one will stay longer. Maybe she changes them regularly so that the baby doesn't bond with one?

And the husband needs to wake up to the fact that he is also a parent and trotting off on holidays with his wife is just exacerbating the situation. She is obv trying to run away from the "problem" by holidaying but of course when she gets back nothing has changed.

meemar · 15/07/2007 08:01

Hi kitegirl, sorry to hear about this and you sound like a good friend for being so concerned.

However, I think calling social services is unwise and rash.

The mother is clearly depressed and is seeking help, which is a good thing. They are aware enough of their problems to know they need extra help and have a nanny/nannies (even if there are issues with the mother being a bad employer).

It sounds like the husband is really suffering, but doing the best he can. All the time spent on holiday and and leaving the baby with a nanny seems to be time spent trying to sort his wifes problems out.

Some 11 month olds do have frequent tantrums - it's not necessarily a sign of emotional distress.

I would leave them for a while, but keep vigilant and concerned. She may get through this counselling and therapy and become a wonderful happy loving mother.

Leati · 15/07/2007 08:12

The thing about a person who uses drugs is they do things they wouldn't normally do. Good people do awful things on drugs. I have heard of mothers selling thier young daughters to get a "fix." Cocaine mimics certain chemicals that your brain releases. So as long as the person is "high" they feel good but when the person comes off the drugs they often fall into deep depression.

My father had serious drug abuse problems and eventually he was never happy. He committed suicide.

If you really care about this person, I would seriously suggest an intervention for both the mom and baby's sake. Maybe you can discuss this with other friends in the same circle and even her family.

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meemar · 15/07/2007 08:25

The thing is Leati, the mother has finally admitted a problem and is seeking help.

If social services get involved, the added stress may take her problems a step backwards and end up doing more harm.

I feel that as the husband, is supportive and clearly committed to helping they should be left to give the therapy a try.

Kitegirl - has she seen her GP, or is this just private therapy she is using? I really feel she needs to get a Dr involved as her problems sound severe.

kitegirl · 15/07/2007 08:32

She is seeing a private therapist. As they have the means, they are 'outside the system' - private doctors, private schools, private hospitals, so it's hard for anything to get flagged. I know I shouldn't do anything rash, but EVERYONE who knows them is whispering and gossiping but for the sake of being polite, no one wants/can say anything. I agree that they need to get the drugs out of the equation, but if someone doesn't want to quit, how do you make them?

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Budababe · 15/07/2007 08:38

Someone needs to be brave enough to forget "politeness" and talk to the husband.

How do you know the mum is (1) seeing a therapist and (2) blaming the husband? Surely any reasonable therapist would firstly suspect PND?

If she is seeing a therapist that should help. But I wonder will she admit the drug use. If not then the therapist can't help much.

My sis had bad PND after her 3 children and has now been diagnosed with bi-polar. But it took until SHE was ready to face up to things before she got "proper" help.

Leati · 15/07/2007 08:43

An intervention is a term we use for when a person's friends and family all get together at the same time and tell a person that a certain behavior or habit is unacceptable. The person is then given an ultimatum to either get help for thier behavior or lose the support of thier family. The goal is to not be a crutch for the bad behavior or habit.

meemar · 15/07/2007 08:47

You're right - you can't make them quit if they don't want to. But it sounds like the excessive drug use is a symptom of her possible PND.
Hopefully a decent therapist will see this and refer her for the right sort of help.

Does the husband know that you all know about her problems? Are you in a situation where you can approach him and offer practical or emotional support?

I think, in the short term especially, this would be far more constructive that getting SS involved. Once you go down that route there may be issues caused for the family for many years to come.

lisad123 · 15/07/2007 08:48

Havent read all other posts, but ss are not likely to act im afraid.
The baby is being cared for, albeit from a nanny. She is also getting some attatchment via her dad. All of her basic care needs ound like they are being met, and the only likely one they might act on is emotional neglect but its very unlikely.
I think you need to be there to support the family more possible.
The dad knows what his wife is doing is not right, and so does she as she is seeking help. Hang on in there and try to support were you can.

Good luck

Lisa

meemar · 15/07/2007 08:50

Leati - I understand now . Not intervention in the way I was thinking.

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