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My friend’s child’s behaviour. I can’t take it anymore.

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LockHorns · 04/03/2019 19:07

I’m new to mumsnet and this is my first thread. I have read mumsnet for as long as I have been a parent, but this is the first time I’m posting a question and a rant simultaneously.
So, my friend. I met her at a prenatal course we used to attend, but we didn’t really talk to each other back then. 4 years on, and we met on the first school day. Our sons are both 4 years old, hers is quite a bit larger though. Since we met, we have been going to the local park after school with the kids, to soft play areas, to her flat etc. The first time I saw her son, I thought he was one of the sweetest children I’d seen - huge blue eyes, a few freckles, pale skin and a lovely smile.
As I got to know him, my perception of his changed drastically. I think I should mention the weekend 2 weeks ago when I asked if my friend was available for a play date/trip to the park, and she invited us over to hers. When we arrived, I found she’d already had another mum around, her son, two older kids (7&10, two boys that live with their grandma, whose behaviour was indescribable, but that’s not the point), a tiny 4 year old girl (my fiend’s friend’s daughter), obviously my son and my friend’s son. We stayed for a couple of hours and it was wild. I watched my son the whole time, I need to say my son generally prefers to play with girls and he is a very gentle, very soft person. I am nothing like boisterous, neither is DP.
In those two hours, I witnessed my friend’s son stomping, and I mean stomping exactly, with force, on to the little girl’s foot with his heavy black metal scooter that he for some reason brought into the sitting room. She started screaming to the point of her lips going blue with exertion. I could tell she was suffering immensely (you know the feeling when you catch your toe on something metal and immovable, and hurts so much you want to cry and sweat seeps through your skin from pain). And guess what? My friend asked her, pardon me, disgusting brat if it was an accident, which he of course confirmed, so she turned round to the little girl who had no parent around, and said so-so said it was an accident, at which point the girl’s crying interferes with what she was saying. The minute she was able to talk again, she said “she’s such an overreacter...”. And then my friend handed the little girl a bag of peas out of the freezer to put on her foot. I can’t express I bad I felt for that child, and how stiff I was with, for some reason, fear. I guess, I was thinking about what horrible things might have gone on before when I’d left my son to stay the night with my friend.
So, fast-forward to today. We picked up the kids from school and went to the local park, where things started happening practically as soon as we passed the gates. The moment I was aware something was wrong, I saw my son lying on the pavement, one arm stretched forward, the other holding on tot his booted foot, crying bitterly. I ran up to him (we were walking slightly behind and talking). I asked what’d happened, my son said my fiend’s child on purpose bashed into his ankles from behind on his scooter. I actually couldn’t believe it, so I said it must have been an accident. My friend came up and asked her kid to “say sorry”, to which he smiled and briefly said “sorry :)”. He obviously was deriving pleasure from seeing my son’s tearful face, eyebrows angled with pain.
We carry on walking. We have a quick coffee at the park cafe. We walk toward the playground, and I’m ACTUALLY SEEING MY EYES MY FRIENDs CHILD PURPOSEFULLY STEERING THE SCOOTER INTO MY WALKING SONs BACK! My son starts crying again, I’m shocked, expecting my friend to say something to her kid, realising that she isn’t, and that I should say something to him. I didn’t say anything to her or to the kid (read: I’m a doormat), went up to my son and loudly and openly told him to please walk next to me, because this other kid just hurt him intentionally. The atmosphere at this point was very tense. She said absolutely nothing about it. Then, 20 mins later, in the playground (I was quite shocked and for some time I took my son to a different part of the playpark, didn’t really feel like chatting, rang DP to vent and to seek support), this boy was running wild and right in front of me, and right in front of his own mother, caught my walking son’s shoulder and just ran on. She again said absolutely nothing. I picked my son up and said we were off to the other part of the park to play frisbee and my friend left to apparently do some shopping.
So here I am, shocked (most of all at how incapable I am of protecting my own child), upset and I’m not sure how to proceed. I cannot take it anymore though. I’m not sure if I should just distance myself from this girl and eventually stop saying hello, or maybe I should tell her why I want to part ways.
I’m sorry my post is long, I feel better for spelling it out though. Please tell me your thoughts, and any advice will be greatly appreciated!

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pineappletower · 04/03/2019 19:13

I think I would say that your son had requested some time to do other activities after school. If pushed say you don't feel they are particularly compatible.

Obviously you should tell her his behaviour is upsetting and unacceptable, but I imagine that isn't your style.

LockHorns · 04/03/2019 19:15

Thank you for the comment. I think I’ll go with “i don’t think they are compatible” as it’s very neutral and doesn’t offend anyone.

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Aprilshowersarecomingsoon · 04/03/2019 19:15

Just tell her you ds gets no fun from the meet ups now so unfortunately you will have to let the friendships go...
Do not feel like a bad friend.
It doesn't cross her mind to be a nice friend!!

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AssassinatedBeauty · 04/03/2019 19:20

You don't have to be friends with her and your son doesn't have to go on so many play dates with this child.

When you pick up your child from school be prepared to keep him away from the other child and to walk with him, separately.

If she asks about a play date or a park trip, then go with one of the explanations above. You don't need to blank her or anything, just pull back a bit.

NChangeForNoReason · 04/03/2019 19:27

I really feel for you ... it's so hard to pull up "friends" in the heat of the moment.

Start distancing urself, smile and be pleasant, but make up excuses which mean you can't have play dates. Your "Friend" will know why, you don't need to mention the specifics.

neighbourhoodwitch · 04/03/2019 19:33

God how stressful, I'm so sorry.. keep your distance...

LockHorns · 04/03/2019 19:45

I also didn’t mention that my friend complained to me numerous times about her now ex-boyfriend wanting nothing to do with her child, and I, in my mind, used to think he was a horrible person, but now I’m revising my thinking. And all the numerous relatives that banned her kid from their houses, as strange as it sounds...

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Whereareyouspot · 04/03/2019 19:49

I think you sound like you are making a big deal. All the hyperbole is a bit much over some kids playing

Yes her son sounds like he didn’t behave brilliantly but he’s four.
She sounds a bit wet and ineffective at discipline but you are suggesting he is some sort of devil child rather than a poorly disciplined child

Suggest you cut ties and do your own thing.

ShinyRuby · 04/03/2019 19:49

You're obviously very upset by this & it's definitely time to be 'busy' after school & at weekends. You absolutely do not have to spend time with someone who is hurting your child. There's no point making enemies (& she sounds a bit of a cow that you probably won't want to be on the wrong side of!) but have a few excuses ready if she asks you to do anything after school. No conflict needed. You'll meet other mums that are much more like you.

AssassinatedBeauty · 04/03/2019 20:00

Look. Her ex boyfriend not wanting anything to do with his son is nothing to do with the sons behaviour, and everything to do with the ex boyfriend. This child is not to blame for his behaviour, he sounds like he is poorly parented. He isn't a "devil child", he is pushing boundaries and not getting effective parenting.

Butterymuffin · 04/03/2019 20:06

No one's saying he's evil, but he is badly behaved and the other kids are copping it as a result. I think some reasonable frankness about how your son and the other kids you've seen playing out with him seem to find themselves on the wrong end of a lot of accidents where they get hurt, and that means getting together isn't much fun, so you'd rather give it a miss.

zippey · 04/03/2019 20:07

He does actually sound like a devil child, and a tear away in the making. Poor parenting just exacerbated things. You also need to protect your child.

Oh and that poor girl.

m0therofdragons · 04/03/2019 20:09

Her kid is clearly being too rough but sounds like she's struggling. It's always easy to judge when your dc is the most perfect one. My dd1 is perfectly behaved yet dd2 is wild.

You don't have to hang out with them but you also need to step up. Her dc hurts your dc, speak up! You're your dc's advocate so stop being shocked and step up. I'm pretty shocked you watched her son hurt the little girl at her house and didn't say what you saw and passively watched on judging when the mum hadn't seen.

Soubriquet · 04/03/2019 20:16

How could you have stood there and let the boy hurt that girl and not said anything?

I’m not one for confrontation but I couldn’t have stood for that.

I would from now on say “sorry, I’m busy that day” and keep repeating. She will eventually stop asking

LockHorns · 04/03/2019 20:20

@motherofdragons, thank you for your perspective! I would like to point out the moment I was aware the little girl was hurt, I was comforting her and had her sat on my lap, my son was by her side, too, trying to console her. I felt really bad for her. I carried on talking to her and watching her and making sure she’s got something to do for the rest of my stay. It was the first and so far the last time I saw her. I did all I could. I feel very sorry for how things went for her that day, but I don’t feel my actions could have been more effective, particularly as my friend was there “dealing” with her son’s behaviour without my intervention.

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Creatureofthenight · 04/03/2019 20:22

If you haven’t got the gumption to step in and stop kids getting hurt then yes, you should distance yourself from this family.
Not sure if this is an accurate portrayal of events though, your writing style is rather florid.

Soubriquet · 04/03/2019 20:28

Well when the child was struggling to explain what happened, you could have said, “well actually Alice, I saw Tarquin there hurt Betty on purpose, so I don’t really think it was an accident.” And let her handle it from there

kingfisherblue33 · 04/03/2019 20:32

What’s with the angled eyebrows?!

You sound a bit wet. You should be able to stand up for your son politely, as Soubriquet says.

jacksonmaine · 04/03/2019 20:42

Angled eyebrows! I would have just told the boy to stop it. He is obviously trying to see how far he can push the boundaries.

If your DS doesn't like his company just say I don't think my DS wants to play atm he says your DS keeps on hurting him( in a light friendly manner). I'm sure she will have words with him if she is a nice friend. Otherwise no loss.

Toodleoopuddle · 04/03/2019 21:34

You should definitely make an excuse not to see them or just tell her it's not working out. Your children dont sound like they have fun together. You are being a bit unkind about a 4yo child though so I think he would benefit too.... his mum might be relieved.

Aria999 · 04/03/2019 23:19

If your DS doesn't like his company just say I don't think my DS wants to play atm he says your DS keeps on hurting him( in a light friendly manner). I'm sure she will have words with him if she is a nice friend. Otherwise no loss.

This.

BingLiveisRubbish · 04/03/2019 23:31

I'm gobsmacked at all the replies saying you should make your excuses. This child is out of control and is dangerous - poorly patented or not. Your friend needs telling straight!!!!!! Before a child gets seriously injured. What if something like this happens and results in a kid falling off a climbing frame or into the road?

Call me dramatic but I had my elbow smashed to tiny pieces by a child like this and I still suffer from it now, 30 years later.

In the nicest possible way - grow a pair pls OP.

woolduvet · 04/03/2019 23:37

It's very over embellished.
I'd Have gone home after the first incident and wouldn't be going again.
Not sure why you stayed except to accept more punishment to your child for which you said nothing.

Fishwifecalling · 04/03/2019 23:45

I think she already knows why you won't want to have play dates again.

Chocmallows · 04/03/2019 23:58

I have been in a similar position. A mum not telling her DD that smacking, pinching and pushing other DCs is wrong, even when teachers called her in. I lost it in a playground one day, DCs had entered school, but the mother saw her DD be nasty to mine in front of several other parents so had tried to tell her off to save face. Her DD had a meltdown as not used to being told off. DCs went into school and the mother made a silly remark about all DCs are like this...I lost it and said the truth but really vented as my DD had been bruised multiple times.

My advice, back away slowly and let her DC find new friends and if future issues come up for them be glad you are away from it.

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