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The gradual loss of innocence....

38 replies

papa99 · 29/01/2019 21:13

Dear Parents (particularly those we are separated)

I am a Dad and have been blessed with an incredible son. He is exceptionally beautiful, intelligent, polite (most of the time), generally very well behaved and an absolute joy to be with. However, after 51 months, he has (for the first time) hurt me. Intentionally.

I expect I am being over dramatic but parenting is extremely complicated and I am totally committed to getting this right. For all the years of learning stuff at school we are expected to make do with a few hours of NCT classes and get on with it. So I really do need the benefit of your collective wisdom please.

The issue is:

My son knows he upsets me if he says ‘I don’t want to see you I want to be with Mama’ and now he started doing this every time I tell him off.

Is this nasty manipulative behaviour for a 4 year old or is this normal?

It may be helpful if you understand the context.

Mum and I separated 16 months ago (an appalling failure I know, and the guilt breaks my heart (it was my fault we split up), but trust me it is not as selfish as it appears- he is actually much better off as there was way too much unhealthy conflict). So I spend all week excitedly counting down the minutes until Mum allows me to see him again. I lie awake each night so excited to see his little face and planning our weekend of ‘boys’ time, the best time’.

He has completely redefined what ‘joy’ is to me. All the things that brought me joy before, whether falling in love, music (making, listening, performing), spending time with family and friends, pursuing and achieving a successful career etc. all of thing were/are amazing. But when I am in the woods with my boy and we are looking for big bad wolves, giants or witches; or we are hiding from Mr Todd and Tommy Brock; playing hide and seek; asking the ‘boys and girls’ to play; collecting sticks and stones for his backpack (for his ‘work’ he says); gathering flower for Mama; being good or bad pirates steering the ship away from sharks in pursuit of treasure; feeding the ducks; pretending to be lions scaring the pigeons; making ‘soup’ with leaves; role playing as superheroes; making up stories (saying a line each); singing Old Macdonald or 5 little monkeys on the swings; creating dinasours with shadows; playing football/tennis/tag/I spy etc. then there is nothing in the world that can touch it. Time stands still. It is pure magic and brings more happiness than I have ever experienced, dwarfing all other previous joyful moments in my life. The only sadness it brings is knowing one day it will end and he will think the same as us adults - a walk in park will simply revert to being a walk in the park. And for a period (in around 10 years) I am sure his Dad will be the last person he wants to go the park with!

But for now, each time, there is just this incredible huge massive glow of utter happiness inside me.

We both love every second. So when, during our limited time together he has now started to tell me he’d would rather be with Mum (on the occasional time I tell him off), it really breaks my heart. Unfortunately he has seen me shed a few tears in response (not sobbing, just the occasional wisftul teardrop!). So he knows it upsets me but still does it – is that not really nasty? I can’t imagine making my Mum cry when I was little and then making here cry again on purpose because I did something wrong.

He has now done this several times - Every single time I told him off.

One of the many things that make me proud of him is that his Nursery reports said he is the first child to show empathy. I have always told him that after love, empathy is the most significant and valuable emotion. It is the key to living a great life, being a kind understanding person. It is fundamental to all our inter-reaction with others whether eg sharing toys or joining in games.

So if he shows and understand empathy, does that make him even more nasty when he deliberately upsets me?

How should I deal with this situation?

More generally, what milestones in the gradual loss of innocence have you experienced and how did you handle them?

The first we experienced was when he was about 3 and a boy at Nursery hurt him, on purpose, for no reason. He was baffled as I sadly reflected ‘ welcome to the real world’…

Many thanks in advance

J.

OP posts:
onthebonnybonnybanks · 29/01/2019 23:53

You are massively overthinking all of this. Stop putting so much pressure on your son to behave I your idealistic impression of how you think he should behave. He’s only 4. At his age he is still building his social skills, testing boundaries etc. My 4yo has told me ‘I hate you mummy’ when being told off and then later ‘You’re the best mummy in the whole wide world’ when he gets something he likes etc. You can’t really take everything they say so seriously!

Fabaunt · 30/01/2019 02:28

Hello. Let me introduce me to my son, he’s 51 months old.

Jesus Christ

Zacksnan · 30/01/2019 02:33

until Mum allows me to see him again
planning our weekend of ‘boys’ time, the best time’

Huh? This sounds not right to me.

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CircleofWillis · 30/01/2019 02:49

OP I feel reading your posts that you are having a hard time of it emotionally. Making your happiness and mental health dependant on the whims of a perfectly normal four year old is not healthy. I suspect he senses the simmering resentment you have towards your ex which is probably very confusing for him. You have lost a lot in the past two years and it is time to start rebuilding. You obviously love your son a lot but no-one can possibly live up to the idealised snow globe preserved perfection you have created around him. Take a step back and appreciate what you have. Let him take the lead and he’ll show you who he is. You don’t need to stereotype everything and paint the world in black and white.

BertrandRussell · 30/01/2019 07:03

OP- i’m a bit concerned that you haven’t picked up on the many posts talking about empathy, and about not making your 4 year old responsible for your happiness. Those are the really important points you should be thinking about.

RJnomore1 · 30/01/2019 07:06

Oh good lord really???

SnuggyBuggy · 30/01/2019 07:21

He's 4. He probably doesn't understand why you don't still live together and having two homes and being away from the primary caregiver is really hard on small children. Part of having kids is conflict even in a best case scenario.

Are you trying to be a Disney Dad?

YogaWannabe · 30/01/2019 07:24

Good heavens I just cringed out a gallstone!

AuntieStella · 30/01/2019 07:25

You're describing totally normal parent/child interactions as if they're something wonderful (as if you're doing lots and wanting applause, rather than pctually ing that's a normal part of parenting).

You are also harking back to NCT days whinging show to parent a 4 yo. Whatever the antenatal/babyhood strengths and weaknesses, they are just not relevant now. If you want a parenting class, just book yourself on to one (they abound, so there's bound to be at least one provider local to you)

You sounds quite over-wrought in some of your phraseology, and other posters have picked up,already on your unfair expectations of a 4yo in regard of your own well-being. That is an area which also needs attention,

PhilomenaButterfly · 30/01/2019 07:31

Just ignore. He's saying it to get a reaction.

Raspberry88 · 30/01/2019 07:31

Yeah, I agree with pp that you're not listening to what people are saying. Your son is behaving completely normally. I'm really worried about how you're behaving with this, the crying in front of him is just not ok and your expectations of him are so much, perhaps he's picking up on that. Also, maybe he doesn't want to have the 'best time' with you, maybe he just wants to have a normal time. Children like their routine and they get tired...have you asked him what he wants to do? He may need to have some down time just like adults do. I second the pp advice to talk to a health visitor or somewhere else to get some help and a I think it's really really important that you start to find something else that gives you some joy because placing all of that pressure and responsibility on your small son is totally unfair. Maybe find a new hobby, a chance to meet some new people?

onthebonnybonnybanks · 30/01/2019 08:12

I just re-read your post.

*^^*when he was about 3 and a boy at Nursery hurt him, on purpose, for no reason. He was baffled as I sadly reflected ‘ welcome to the real world’…
So....when he gets hurt aged 3 you basically show no empathy yet you think it’s acceptable to put your entire happiness in his hands and think it’s ok to cry in front of him when he behaves normally for his age? You need to seriously rethink your approach to this whole parenting business..:.

Cutesbabasmummy · 31/01/2019 11:39

onthebonnybonnybanks spot on!

Just to add - he's 4 and kids are very manipulative! They don't have empathy at that age! My son is also 4 and he pretty much goes from one of us to the other as his favourite parent!

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