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Ds1 wishes I was dead!

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Flip · 02/09/2004 21:26

I haven't been around much since coming back from holiday a week ago. I've been feeling pretty low and ds1's behaviour hasn't helped. As far as I know, he was good at the mumsnet party. Better than I've seen him in a long time. It was something new and exciting and the first time that me and dh let him do whatever he wanted without restriction because Beety's place was so safe and secure.

We tried to carry that on at the holiday camp in Newquay and he was given freedom to come and go as he pleased. He had a two way radio incase he got into trouble or we wanted to make sure he was okay.

The problems came whenever we went anywhere. Resteraunts/Cafe's were a complete nightmare. If the slightest thing wasn't right then he'd shout and scream. He'd tell them their shop was rubbish and they could kiss his ass. One of the girls in a particular cafe was wonderful. The first day there he lost it when there was no umbrella in his ice cream like on the picture. He started shouting at her and telling her everything was rubbish. Before either me or dh could intervene to attempt to calm him, she did. She asked him why he wanted an umbrella when it wasn't raining. Something very simple and it difused the situation. From then on, we ate in there everyday and she handled him brilliantly.

Time and again ds1 would have his fits of rage and the good time's (very few) were over shadowed by waiting for the next explotion that you knew might only be seconds away. It was emotionally draining for both me and dh. We had one evening where we sat in the beer garden of one of the pubs on site with ds2 asleep in the pushchair and ds1 bribed away with money for the arcade. It was the only time we were able to relax for a little while.

We came home a day earlier than planned because it wasn't fun for anyone anymore. Last Sunday we went to the Trafford Centre to try and get a bit of retail therapy. The place only open's at 12pm so we went to get some lunch once we got there before shopping. After lunch ds1 said he wanted to see the wishing pool in the middle of the food hall. So I went with him and he asked if he could have some money to make a wish. I gave him 10p and he threw it into the water and said "I wish my mum was dead. " Then he looked at me and said, "I mean it to. I'm not joking. "

I was stood at the side of him and he wished I was dead. I couldn't have felt any worse than I did then. He's always saying that he wishes I didn't exist or dh didn't exist. But he made me feel so hated and I just couldn't speak to him anymore. It was over an hour later before I spoke to him because he'd hurt me so much.

Everyday is a battle and I don't know how I'm going to cope. At the summer party when ds1 was being good, I couldn't tell him he was being good. I knew that to tell him how good he was would erupt into a torrent of abuse. So I just leave him. I'm giving up with him which makes me a horrible mum. His phycologist doesn't hide her horror when I read her a list of all the things he's said and done since our last meeting a week earlier. He got angry at his swimming lesson when the instructor was telling him off, so he pushed another kid in the deep end of the pool and he had to be rescued. Today, my neighbour brought her two kids round. Her dd is the same age as my ds1 but her ds is only three. My ds1 attacked her ds and tried to kick him down the stairs. I was so relieved when she let rip at him and made him cry. She put him in time out whilst me and dh sat downstairs and listened. I'm at the end of my tether. I'm not even sure school will help. I'll just be waiting for the phone calls. I have a child in need meeting the first week back to talk about him with social services, CAMHS, teachers and the HV. I've failed somehow and I don't know how to stop it happening with ds2.

If you've read this far, thank you.

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Rowlers · 02/09/2004 21:32

No problem for reading that far!
You poor poor thing. I don't know you but am sure those MNers who do will be on soon to reassure you. Get as much help as you can. This must be driving you completely mad. Good luck.

enid · 02/09/2004 21:37

Flip, I don't feel qualified to say anything except my whole heart goes out to you. With love X E

scrumpy · 02/09/2004 21:37

Flip...posted earlier asking you about your holiday I see by this it was awful for you, i am so sorry. Flip you are not a horrible Mum, you seem like a loving caring Mum who is trying really hard to help her ds1. I know its difficult I have a stepson who I have been with from the age of 9 now 14 and he says the same things to me plus tantrums etc. DS2 is lovely and he was such a contented little chap at the party. Hopefully your meetings will make you feel more positive.

Hugs {smile]

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jampot · 02/09/2004 21:38

Gosh Flip - I really feel for you and for your ds. How old is he btw? Does he understand what dead is?

JanH · 02/09/2004 21:39

Oh, Flip, I have read through and I'm so sorry, DS1 was pretty good at beety's and I'd been hoping you had all had a good holiday...I don't know what to say, I can't imagine why he behaves like this, you are a great mum...

No advice, just hope that your child in need meeting will come up with something to help you. Hugs.

MummyToSteven · 02/09/2004 21:39

Flip - again don't think I have any useful relevant knowledge, but just wanted to post and express my support and say that you have not failed and it is not your fault, and I hope that he gets the help that he needs stemming from the meeting at school next week.

DelGirl · 02/09/2004 21:43

Flip, so sorry to hear what you are going through. I don't have any advice to offer though but I'm sure others will. tbh I didn't even realise you had DS1, shows how well behaved he must have been and how well he got on with the other children so the basics are there iyswim.

Flip · 02/09/2004 21:57

He's five Jampot.

He was excellent at the summer party and it was really relaxing for me. But then he just went back to his normal ways. He demands one on one attention every waking minute of his day and when he doesn't get it, he's impossible. We went to Blackpool pleasure beach for a day out and he was brilliant because he had one on one attention. But it can't happen every day. You can't always give him the attention he needs. He won't wait, he doesn't understand dangers. If he thinks he has to do something then nothing apart from physically dragging him away can stop him. I don't have the strength to pick him up and remove him from situations. It took me and my mother to carry him out of her house today to the car because he was kicking and screaming so much.

I despair!!

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handlemecarefully · 02/09/2004 21:57

Like the others I am out of my depth with this one, but so so want to reach out and ((((((hug))))) you.

sportyspice · 02/09/2004 22:16

Flip - my heart really does go out to you although i'm sure it's advice you need more than sympathy. Where on earth does your ds learnt such sayings? and that's not me trying to put any blame on youselves but has he seen something on tv or learnt words from other people because although my dd1 is only 3 i can't think about her at the age of 5 knowing so much hatred and anger? if not and you can't think of any external factor then i beleive that you are right to be seeking the help of psychologists, this does sound like a more deep rooted issue and remember we're here.

WedgiesMum · 02/09/2004 22:18

Poor you Flip, what a horrible time you're having. Did I recommend 'The Explosive Child' to you on another thread a while ago?? not sure if I have so I'll do it again. I have found it really helpful with the explosive and extreme behaviour of my DS who is also 5. I've lent it to his teacher at school as well to try and get them to deal with him better and let other family members have a read too. I've also found that as the holidays are drawing to a close DS is behaving worse - I think he is worrying about going back to school.

cab · 02/09/2004 22:29

Flip hang in there and keep asking for help until you get it. Sorry I'm no use, but hope there are others on here who might be.

MummyToSteven · 02/09/2004 22:33

Flip - does your son have any statement/diagnosis - has he been through any sort of diagnostic process, or is the meeting next week likely to get him a referral to a paediatrician?

aloha · 02/09/2004 22:50

Poor, poor you. How dreadful. I really hope you get some help with him. He sounds like he needs it desperately. He can't be happy either. Please don't blame yourself. This sounds way beyond 'normal' bad behaviour to me.

Chocol8 · 02/09/2004 22:56

When I read your message Flip, tears sprang to my eyes and I wanted to cry. I really do know how you feel and how isolated it can make you feel. I am really sorry you are having to go through this and to hear your child say he hates you is just the worst thing ever.

My ds (ADHD/AS) who is nearly 7 has been displaying this sort of behaviour since he was at least a year old. He told me just last week during a very violent tantrum that he wished I was dead and that he was on his own, that he doesn't need me etc etc.

I call my sister in times like this and just need to hear her say "Choc, you know he doesn't mean it". When he says these things it cuts through my heart and hurts physically, but I have to admit he does feel remorse for it later...much later. For my ds it is a deep rooted problem for which he will be seeing a psychiatrist for soon (already under consultant and CAMHs for self harm).

There IS help out there (something I thought I would never say) and you need to keep shouting til you're heard. Please do not give up...this is neither good for you or your ds. Good luck with the meeting - try and ensure that you get some positive action with all these experts in the room. Use them, that's what they're there for, then hopefully you can begin to see the light at the end of the tunnel and will begin to feel positive once again. Hugs to you. xx

lavender1 · 02/09/2004 22:57

Flip, sorry to hear of this, it must be very hard for you...I really don't know what advice I can give here...but wanted to share something with you...

My dd is 7 1/2 and says the strangest of things and has very strange behaviour at times...

"I am useless, nobody wants me etc"

We are out in a market and she says to the ostrich burger man "You mean people seriously kill ostriches and eat them?" and the market trader looks dead embarrassed.....and frequently says you don't want me, I'm going to run away and you wouldn't care".

btw she is a very bright child with a very fidgety personality and often gets told off in class for not sitting still,....tonight she said you embarass me and put her arm against mine and pushed it....she is only 7 1/2 and dh worries that she will come home at 14 announcing she is pregnant unless we are very firm with her..

I know it might not seem relevant but I wanted to relate my dd behaviour and although not quite the same, you are not alone and need lots of support!! if you ant to contact me via contact another talker then no problem! hope you get some good advice here.

lavender1 · 02/09/2004 23:01

just read last few messages, much better advice for you.

Piffleoffagus · 02/09/2004 23:14

No advice Flip my petal, but such a big hug, I think you're lovely from what I've seen of you at the MN party and on here too.
I think it is fair enough to assume that there is something troubling your son, whether it be a label type issue or not.
I am so sorry that he has hurt you and how powerless you must feel as his mum to not be able to feel this,
I am unsure as to what referrals if any you have had, but seek out a decent behavioural psych and also ask for referral to a paed for anything they may be able to diagnose or assist with, it is time to ask now and not stop til you get some resolution
Big hugs, hope tomorrow is a better day...

tigermoth · 03/09/2004 07:19

nothing useful to add, but lots of sympathy heading in your direction. I simply don't know how I'd cope in your situation. No way have you failed. I hope the child in need meeting gets you and your son more support really quickly.

Papillon · 03/09/2004 08:21

Flip, you have not failed - every kid is different. He seems to feed on anger and violence and the only thing I could suggest, would be to show him none in return, which is of course is easier said than done when he pushes you sooo much and but you probably have tried ignoring or hitting him back with superlove already. Wish i had a pill to fix him like I did help with your back...

Hope the child in need meetings are productive and helpful in finding some solutions and relief for you and your dh. It was great to meet you at the party, you are a lovely lady with a warm heart.

anorak · 03/09/2004 08:40

Flip, I'm so sorry to read of your struggle with ds. Please don't blame yourself, I'm sure the expert opinions you will soon have will show whatever is causing this behaviour, and it won't be you.

However convincing he sounded when he made his wish, I don't believe he meant it really. No child of 5 with a loving caring mother is going to say such a thing except to get a reaction. He knows how to get to you and is exercising that power. That may not be much consolation to you but hopefully soon you will have some guidance to help him change this negative behaviour. Lots of love xxx

Flip · 03/09/2004 09:18

Thank's everyone for your posts. I'm feeling a little stronger this morning, but ds1 is still in bed. Dh is taking him to Manchester's Science and Industry museum today so I can have some quality time with ds2. Ds1 loves museums. He likes seeing how things work and seeing artifacts. He's almost obsessed with artifacts. Our local museum has one of the best ancient eqypt displays in the country and he'd be there every day if we'd let him. Walking past a craft shop the other day he saw a bust of Tutenkhamen that someone had made and painted. He said he wanted it for his artifact collection and there were ructions when I said it wasn't for sale.

Dh is waiting until the last minute to get ds1 up from bed. We always start each day as a fresh and don't go over what's happened the previous day. But it's hard to keep a positive attitude when you know it's seconds until an explosion because his cereal isn't in the correct bowl, his football kit he wore yesterday hasn't been washed ready for today... ... I spoke to soon. He's just walked downstairs.

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MummyToSteven · 03/09/2004 12:48

Flip = glad you are feeling a little stronger this morning. Has DS been to the Manchester Museum on Wilmslow Rd near the uni - IIRC that has a good egyptology collection too.

suedonim · 03/09/2004 17:02

No advice to offer, either, but just wanted to be counted as one of your supporters.