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Jazzicatz · 05/06/2007 14:11

How did you get motivated to start writing up? I am 2.5 years in have done all my data collection and am now ready to write up, but just cannot get motivated, how did you do it???

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yurt1 · 05/05/2008 20:26

Just start writing. Write anything. Even if its crap. It's a nightmare, but once you have something you have something to get working with and it starts to take shape.

I'm doing my second one. This time I was going to write it up as I went along, oh yes. Guess what?

penpotEca · 05/05/2008 20:39

Oooh, can I join in? I'm 5 years in to a p/t PhD and have a chapter deadline in 3 weeks and it's not looking brilliant. . I've got about 9000wds but it needs working up to about 15-20,000 and I've got three weeks. Gulp! And my supervision is in Norway, flights and family hol all booked so no possibility of a sneaky extension

Wasn't there someone else around on mn recently trying to write up??

sunnylabsmum · 06/05/2008 05:57

Yes me too on the write up phase. Am only doing a 'baby' comparerd to you guys as my thesis is 40-50K. One of the benefits of doing an EdD I suppose.

Well I am busy on my final chapter.....Chaps 1,2 and 3 have been returned from my tutor and amendments are scheduled for June. By the end of May I need to finish this chapter and 'titivate' chapter 4. I will get them back by start of July and then its a mad dash to get as much revisions done by 11Aug. On 12 Aug we fly back to the Uk and I am hoping to have it in my bag ready to submit (Huge gulp)

At the worst I have until 1 Sep.

Some days I can write loads but others are a dead loss. I have learnt to shrug my shoulders and console myself with a glass of wine when this occurs.

Good luck everyone...we will make it!!

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Jazzicatz · 06/05/2008 08:33

Of course penoptEca - the more the merrier. What will you do this week?

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penpotEca · 07/05/2008 18:49

Hi Jazz how's it going?

I've not really got a week-by-week plan. At the mo I'm just aiming to have as much of this chapter done as I can before 28th May . ds is now ill so my day at the library today was abandoned . I've done a little bit while he's slept or been out in the pushchair with dh, but not a lot. I was meant to be going to pilates tonight, but I'm abandoning it to read a couple of papers.

Hi sunny - I'm very at your 40-50000 wordcount! , but I'm even more that you're on your final chapter! Oh too see the finish line!! Totally know what you mean about just having to write off some days. Drives me mad!

Acinonyx - hope you're getting on ok. Our deadlines are only 2 days apart . Good luck!

Right off to try to get anything something productive done!

Jazzicatz · 07/05/2008 18:52

I have been marking - well at least trying too - so so far all is going very slowly. I shall be finished at the end of the week so will be able to crack on then.

Sorry to hear your ds is poorly

Good luck all though xx

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hockeypuck · 07/05/2008 18:58

Jazzicat are you based in Cardiff?
before I freak you out, I don't know you if you do. It's just that there is a PhD student in Cardiff with a similar name to your user name who my MSc criminology supervisor said I should speak to sometime about potential PhD studying. If that is you, I didn't realise that you have children as well (much kudos btw for doing a PhD with children). If that is you, I would appreciate picking your brain sometime. I'm on the part time MSc Crim course, just finishing year one, and contemplating applying for PhD funding in January, I also have two small children.
Please don't freak out, I'm not MN stalking Califrau and others can vouch for my relative normality

Jazzicatz · 07/05/2008 19:00

Hockeypuck - no I am not based in Cardiff I am afraid.

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Jazzicatz · 07/05/2008 19:02

Happy to help though

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yummybunnymummy · 07/05/2008 19:28

I hate writing this but I didn't watch any telly apart from ugly betty for 3 months. I looked after my 2ds all day, cooked dinner, helped dh get them to bed and then phd work until bed at midnight before the kids were up and down all night and then up at dawn, it was as awful as it sounds. I was an emotional, exhausted wreak. I'd stay up until 3-4 am at weekends, dh would take kids out and this was the final 3 month push in writing the discussion and the hard bits after spending last summer and autumn writing a bit in evenings and at weekends.

I only had my viva last week so it doesn't seem real but the pressure, nagging, snapping and grumpiness has all disappeared from our home (well almost - am never going to be a morning person again) don't underestimate the huge undertaking your phd is, unless you've had contact with someone writing a phd very few people appreciate what it involves and people are always ready to give advice, which just makes you feel fabulous when the house is a pig sty, the kids are hungry, dh is late and your supervisor is really trying to explain the finer points of some algorithm to you on the phone!!!!!!!!

In the few weeks prior to beginning my proper writing last summer I really questioned myself and what I was doing and the effect it was going to have on my family....I couldn't afford to not be productive when I got a chance at the computer, because it was so difficult to get any quality time at the computer..if a writing session is going badly , do something different don't waste your time, break things down into small bits (easier said than done) , adding to your reference list is mindless but still something positive and that needs doing....

I feel like I've been really negative but I feel so emotional like the university are going to come round and laugh and say haha you didn't really get it. Its been hanging over me for so long and I can't begin to describe the amazing feeling that I've accomplished it!!!!

hockeypuck · 07/05/2008 19:46

cali don't think there is a blonde called emma in the crim dept. We have Maguire, Levi, Jones, Williams and a lot of others my brain cant recall one week before my exams Did you do crim at Cardiff then? never knew that!

Jazzicat ah well, thought it was too good to be true that someone else in Cardiff had been there done that with small children and PhD. I might well come back to you if thats ok and you're not at some nightmare part of your writing up process, with a few questions as they arise if that ok. What is the subject of your thesis?

yummybunnymummy Hmmmn, not a nice picture, but I do prefer honesty to the ill-conceived wishywashy "it'll be fine" diatribe that my friends with 9 to 5 jobs give me. I'll consider that, if I get any ESRC funding in the first place!

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Acinonyx · 07/05/2008 22:16

Jazz - I've been marking too and giving supervisions today. I'll be very glad when they finish in 4 weeks as they take up so much time.

Penpot - the one good thing (I think - I might change my mind) about having a lot of relatively short chapters is that I ahve a lot of short deadlines i.e. monthly or less and I think that helps me. I think. Since this is my first one - I may find it's actually a really crap idea!

Yummy - we are expecting the last bit to be pretty much as you describe but I know I can only keep that up for a short time. I will probably have that regime for the last week of every month and more or less all the time for the last 2-3 months. I just HAVE TO submit by Xmas ....aaaaaahhhhh!!!! The thought of not submitting by then...no, no, no....it just CANNOT happen!

TheFallenMadonna · 07/05/2008 22:22

I submitted my PhD 30 minutes before my 5 year deadline.

I just thought I'd throw that into the mix

madmumNika · 08/05/2008 20:39

Hey all

Also having probs getting motivated. I'm in year 6 of PT PhD, originally hoped to submit for Sept, but now unlikely, so aiming for Dec too (waves at Acinonyx!). I am finding I would rather do ANYTHING other than write. I have 3 chapters 60% written and working on 2 papers also. But have a hell of a lot to get through & have 2 DCs, my youngest (DD-10months) has cystic fibrosis so quite a lot of extra care needed. A friend takes them 2 mornings and 1 full day each week during term time (I do pay her) but find it is hard to get going so I am hoping to start working more in the eves now DD is beginning to sleep a little better. DP works long hours though and we're selling our house so can't find enough hours in the day to keep on top of everything.

Nice to hear others in similar position! Think I may have to do the drastic thing though of removing broadband as the internet is my downfall!!

Can I join in the chapter per month race?!

Jazzicatz · 08/05/2008 20:42

Madmum - would be honoured!

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Acinonyx · 08/05/2008 21:34

Fallen - 30 mins before deadline would be great - as long it is before the deadline.

Hi Madmum! We're also selling our house, due to move early June. It's crazy isn't it? Wel done for having so much written and with a very young youngest too.

I did go cold turkey off the internet for my MPhil - but that was only a year.

I have 1,130 words written fotr Chapter 1!! Only about 59,000 left to go (I've been advised 80,000 is max but I think 60,000 will do as a minimum - is that the same for you?). Plus refs. And copious boring Appendices.

sunnylabsmum · 09/05/2008 06:45

The chapter a month is a really good idea. I've got to get this final chapter nailed this month, although in reality its by May 24 as dreaded half term appears. Now I do love half term really as we can do loads of family stuff, but why does it have to creep into my schedule only a month after easter when I 'lost' 2 weeks---argh!!

Oh Acinonyx I really am with you on the word count. I find moving up to word count the best salvation ever. I am reckoning that once I reach the minimum word limit I am getting there. I know that they might not be the right words but at least I've got something to amend/alter.

Last autumn I had to give up my tutoring as the OU couldn;t appear to handle having a tutor in Cyprus. I am looking into more creative ways to stay in academia until we return to the UK in summer 09. So unlike alot of you I don't have that particular ball to juggle, more's the pity.

Yesterday I dipped into some research about completion rates for doctorates. It seems that if you are doing it p/t, unfunded and are over 30 when you start then you have the worst chances of completion. Argh!! Wish I'd known that a few years ago.

cold turkey off the Internet??? Tempting, but then I'd probably still find something I needed to do. At least with the Internet I'm on the computer so can restart in a few seconds.

Take care everyone and happy writing/thinking/reading!!

Jazzicatz · 09/05/2008 09:28

You know - I can't tell you how supportive it feels having others going through the same thing. The hardest thing about doing a PhD for me is that I am working from home as my Uni is too far away. This means that I have to get into a clear working pattern - however that is easier said then done when the house is a mess and there is shopping to get etc - by the time I have done the minimum around the house it is time for school pick-up and once again nothing achieved!

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Highlander · 09/05/2008 15:38

collect data into chapters

identify missing data

write mats and methods first - easy, no brains req'd, gets you into a writing groove

write chapters

write introduction

penpotEca · 10/05/2008 09:10

morning

Day at the desk today >

Madmumnika - wow you seriously have got your hands full! Small steps eh? Keep going!

Jazz i work from home too as I'm a long way from my uni. I actually go to a closer uni library to read and work when I can. It's so hard to switch off when I can hear ds shouting me, dinner needs preparing, the house is a tip etc etc... I'm lucky to have a bedroom as a study, so at least I can close the door and try to concentrate. I try to get to the library when I can, but at the moment it's 1&1/4 hours drive away, thankfully in a couple of months we are moving closer.

sunny - agree about the word count here too. Anything down makes you feel better! Although I now have about 9000 words which need rewriting

as for banning the internet... dh has threatened, but I need it for my research so it's down to sheer willpower to resist. Some days I'm better than others !

right better go and get on!

Acinonyx · 10/05/2008 10:38

That's pretty much what I've done Highlander. Divided the data up into different chapters - but way too late to get more data that will just have to do now.

My first 2 chapters are about methods/materials but they are quite challenging as I need to do some math modelling as I go - so no as speedy as all that.

Definitley Intro last - but my intro will be short as I am doing lit reviews with each chapter.

Pen - I have the box room as my study. Fortunately I am just a cycle ride from the dept and try to go in 1-2 days/week for a change of scene and some human contact. We will be moving further away in June - that will be a park and cycle distance and it won't make sense for me to go in unless dh can pick dd up (which is proving to be difficult!). The isolation can be very hard - the hardest part a lot of the time.

I usually work Saturdays but we are going out today and then we we come home we MUST do something about the disintegrating household mess. You're right - it's hard to ignore - we have reached our limit!

penpotEca · 10/05/2008 21:08

Thought I'd summarize who's at what stage so we can bully encourage each other . Hope that's ok (I've been getting muddled who's up to where). Correct me if anything is wrong, have just summarized from previous posts.

jazzicatz - 3.5 years in. Aims to finish methods chapter this week (mon 12 May).

acinonyx - has just started writing up and is aiming for a chapter a month. 1st deadline 30th May. Plans to finish 1st section of ch.1 this week (mon 12th May). HAS to submit by xmas!!

yurt1 - working on 2nd PhD !

penpoteca - 5years in. Writing up a chapter (approx 15,000 wds) for 28th May. Has 10,000... some of which make sense! . Overall wants it done by December 09/Jan 10

sunnylabsmum - chapters 1,2&3 done. Finishing final chapter and 'titivating' chapter 4 by the end of May 08. Wants it all revised and in her bag when she comes to the uk 12th August. Worst case senario she has until 1st Sept.

madmumnika - In year 6. Hopes to submit Dec as Sept is looking unlikely. Has 3 chapters 60% written.

whiteflame - 2.5 years in.

Jazzicatz · 10/05/2008 22:04

Thats right for me!

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