referencing in essays for TMAs HELP

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Ok I am just off the phone to my tutor and it is still as clear as mud, my course book and The good study guide aren't much help, and tutor says I will get higher marks if I reference.

So I want to quote a line from my course book, which is a quote from some one else.

His bit is (Gaber 2003) from an newspaper article is in my text book Understanding Society, The Open University, by Norma Sherratt et all. Tutor said if I showed it was a article quoted within a book I wouldn't have to fully reference the article.

Thats where she lost me.....

Give me 2 mins while I find my notes...

I'm not sure if this is exactly what you are looking for but this is what I found:

A Chapter by one author in a book by sevferal hands:

Surname, Name of chapter's author, "Title of the Article" in Surname and names of the authors of the book (eds.), Name of the book in Italics (Place, Date), pp. xx-xx.

HTH, although if the chapter is written by yet a different person I would suggest to check where the author took the quotation from and use that instead (but check first that is correct)

It is just an excert from an article within a chapter. Tutor said if I don't indicate it is within course book I have to reference to the original article, but she made it sound like I had to write out the whole bit at the end. I didn't understand that. I thought I would just put it in the origin of the article and the author of that, but she made it sound like it would be better to reference and then sub reference, russian doll style ?????

I would reference it as follows where the article excerpt is by Clifford and the book author is Lidchi

Clifford, J. (1995) 'Paradise', Visual Anthropology Review, Vol. 11, No. 1, pp. 92-117 in Lidchi (1997)

Lidchi, H. (1997) The Poetics and the Politics of Exhibiting Other Cultures , London, Sage

although tbh I'm not sure I'm doing it right

Looks good though Moley. I'll try that with mine and see what my tutor says when she's back from her hols!

just looked at one of my old essays. in the text of the essay i put in brackets (name of article, date of publication, name of newspaper, as quoted by, authors of chapter, date of book publication : page number) and at the end in the reference list put chapter authors,(date) title of chapter in, editors names (eds) name of book, place of publication, publisher, chapter page numbers hth

I do it like that because otherwise I end up using up a goodly chunk of my word count with in-text refs like this (Clifford 1995 in Lidchi 1997 in Hall 1997a)

So now I just reference Clifford and link the 'nested' references together in the ref list at the end.

Really unsure about whether that's right but my thinking is that as long as it's clear who you're referencing you can't go far wrong.

Sckribble, look at the references at the end of the chapter, it must be hidden somewhere

Actually... I have the book at home and have just noticed it has no references in it!

i am such a slow typer, cross posts

molesworth's sounds more starightforward than mine. the tutor i had for that course was crazy about references and marked people down for not doing them her way

"(name of article, date of publication, name of newspaper, as quoted by, authors of chapter, date of book publication : page number)"

If I referenced like that most of the word count would be references!

I've been marked down for referencing once (mind you it was a fair cop - last minute rush and I missed some references out ), but yes, some tutors are anal about it aren't they?

There's an amazing amount of variation on the Harvard theme among tutors

i was always told that refs weren't included in the word count 'though

In these cirumstances I put.. (eg)... Gaber 2003 quoted (or cited) in [author of OU chapter] in [name of OU book], Open University/publisher blah blah.

Never been criticised yet. New tutor has just said my referencing was spot on so it must be ok.

I have had to include in-text refs in my word counts on my OU courses so far (they've all been soc sci courses - perhaps it varies by faculty?)

I think the OU rule is universal actually. In-text refs ARE included in the word count; the ref. list at the end is not. We were discussing it at a tutorial on Saturday.

oh, i've just got to my last ou year and thought they weren't included
they can't teach me anything

I think it's become a grey area because sometimes we WANT to exclude the in-text refs so we are not forced to further prune our essays! At least that's me.. I can drivel forever.. and not necessarily intelligently either mores the pity!

i hate doing in text references and the list at the end. i always end up doing it at about ten past two in the morning the day before the damn thing is due in. my bil who is doing an MA writes his reference list before he writes his essay. he puts down everything he thinks he will draw on, just to get it out of the way.

Sorry , didn't realise I had so many replies,

Right some of that sort of makes sense, I didn't realise I had to put so much in brakets in the text.

I had found the reference to the article in the book but it was the fact I had to nest it that confused me. I thought I would just have to put (gaber 2003) in the text then put all the blurb at the end.