Sleep help for 8 year old

[Shiraznowplease]

My ds (8) doesn't sleep all night, he never has. He also wakes for the day at 530 (at the latest). I am exhausted. We have tried all manner of night lights, black out curtains, glow in the dark curtains, keeping up later, sending to bed earlier, audio cds, exercise, avoiding tv and iPads near bedtime, baths with all manner of bubbles, herbs and essential oils and even hypnotherapy. We haven't tried medication and I feel reluctant too. I am constantly exhausted and it can't be doing him any good. Has anyone got any ideas please?? He has no Sen and is happy

if you've ruled out other causes could it be that your child just doesn't need as much sleep? At 8 years old I would expect that he doesn't need to wake you up and can entertain himself for a bit - watch telly in the living room with his duvet or play by himself.

Him being happy is key here, if he's found his natural rhythm then can you just enforce some consideration for the rest of the household by him being quiet enough not to disturb you until a reasonable time?

How do you handle it when he wakes at night?

Nothing helpful to add but dame position here. My 7yr has older and younger sibling who both sleep fine yet I've been up with her again just now trying to settle her back in bed.
Given up and she's gone to big bed and I'm in her bed. Been like this always - nightmare when she was toddler was up for hours in the night.
Same as you night lights, black outs etc.
She had a month of sleeping in her room and thought we were finally over it.
She needs an incredible amount of exercise and fresh air but even that pbky made the slightest difference. It's been 7 years and in desperate.
So, not helpful, but you're not alone!!

How about asking your doc about a sleep clinic?

Why are you exhausted?
My 8 year old doesn't sleep through most nights, I believe. He also rises for the day at a shocking early hour. It was the pits when he was little, but for the past 3 years, he has been more than capable of reading (looking at books when younger) early in the morning. And understanding that if the clock time doesn't start with a 5, he is to lie quietly in bed in the dark.
At the weekends he gets himself up at 6 and makes breakfast for him, and often his younger brother, and they watch tv for a bit before DH or I get up.
I'm not in the UK, it's not shocking early here!! He's been up since 5, I believe.

At 8, if my child is awake early then they entertain themself. Maybe try a gro trainer clock. What time does he go to bed? My son who is now early teens has been thriving and very happy on about 9 hours sleep since he was 6/7. Some kids just don't need it.

What do you do when he wakes at night and why do you get up with him in the morning?