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High school graduate daughter's return to home sparked family drift

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Mina1967 · 20/07/2017 23:10

Hello everyone!

My name is Mina, and I'm new here! :-)
I lived in Bristol up until I married my husband in 1990, at which point I moved to Germany with him and proceeded to have two amazing, lovely children- a daughter, who is now seventeen years old and just finished high school, and a fourteen-year-old son. I currently live with them and my ailing mother.
My daughter, Charlotte (or Charlie), has finished high school a few weeks ago. She went to a full-time private boarding school on a full scholarship and did amazingly well, receiving multiple awards and a standing ovation from her headmaster. I am extremely proud of her. Now, for the first time in years, she is staying at home for an extended stretch of time during a non-holiday season (she'll move out again in September to study law), meaning that for the first time in years, our everyday life is being affected by her presence. Sadly, the effects have not been entirely positive.

The problems started the moment she stepped into our house, basically. At first, conflicts with her father arose. The two of them are quite similar, personality-wise: Both are extremely intelligent, at times almost frighteningly logical, scientifically minded, and, to a certain degree, workaholics. Their relationship during my daughter's childhood, before Charlie went away to boarding school, was excellent. He read to her, they collected and classified leaf samples together, and generally were thick as thieves. As Charlie got older, there was a lot of apparently friendly teasing and affectionate sarcasm. They share a rather dry sense of humour.
But for the past two weeks, they basically have not talked to one another. There were a couple of extremely loud, shouting arguments during her first days, arguments that, I'm sorry to say, I don't think she was at fault for. My husband , during our first family dinner together, started to make a few rather snarky remarks about her high school grades in music, an ultimately unimportant subject in which she was never bad, just a little less brilliant than in other subjects. She answered with a few quips of her own, but I could tell she thought he was overstepping. By the time we were eating dessert, he was being downright hurtful, criticising her academic achievements as being 'undeserved' because 'school these days is easier than back in my days'. Fast-forward two hours, and they were screaming at each other. She accused him of being intimidated by the presence of someone whose intellect equalled his own, he threw back that she had a God-complex and couldn't tolerate criticism.
That scene basically repeated itself a few times. Now, they are not speaking. The house has, without a word, been divided into zones. They manage to go whole days without seeing each other. He refuses to recognise his part in the argument, she advised me to make him undergo therapy, since his behaviour is, according to her, completely abnormal.

Then, there is her brother, David. He's fourteen years old, a lovely, sweet boy, but doesn't have that spark of brilliance his sister and father have. He's also a bit of a slob, as I suppose a lot of teenage boys are.
Since my daughter's former room is now used to house my terminally ill mother, her return home meant she had to move into her brother's room with him. We put up a bed, and both she and I were confident it wouldn't cause problems- after all, she had gone to boarding school for years, sharing a room with another girl without any issues! My son wasn't perfectly enthusiastic about the plan, but not downright against it either.
Since my son still goes to school and takes French classes, and she's the only other member of the family who speaks French (very well, I should say) and he is struggling with the subject, I thought it would be a good idea to have her take a look at his homework. Nope. He started yelling about her having no right to do so, being arrogant, and trying to criticise everything he did. I watched them work on his homework together, and from what I saw, she was being constructive and fair, albeit a little brusque (as I said, she's not the coddling type) whereas he was being volatile and easily angered. Still, she took it with grace, and we dropped the homework plan.
Living in the same room as him turned out to be an issue of its own, though. He listened to loud music and left rubbish everywhere.
A week ago, she apparently had enough and tidied the whole room, washing every single piece of clothing he had left on the floor. I was so grateful I was about to weep, though I obviously recognise she infringed on his privacy with that. The resulting argument with him caused her to move to the living room couch, where she has been sleeping since then. I feel very bad about this arrangement- she is my daughter, this is her home, she shouldn't have to sleep on the couch!

Basically, the house is now divided into two fronts: My husband and my son, who both seem to detest her very presence, and me, who is extremely grateful for it: whereas both my son and my husband don't help much around the house, she is unfailingly helpful. She mops the floors, does the dishes, helps with taking care of my mother, helps with the cooking, hoovers and does her own laundry. For the past two years, I've had to limit myself to make time for caring for my mother, but my daughter's help has allowed me to enjoy more free time. Last week, after weeks of postponing, finally managed to see a friend for lunch, knowing she'd take care of my mother, and when I came back, she hadn't just done that, but also fixed our wifi!
Having Charlie around is basically like having a handyman in the house. She can set up all the complicated medical machinery my mother needs and fixes broken home appliances my husband ignores for weeks before my nagging finally gets to him. I feel like she's basically taken on a lot of stereotypical "men's roles" in our household, which doesn't seem to be good for the family dynamic, but is a huge relief to me.
I feel extremely frustrated that her presence seems to cause so much conflict, especially since I don't think she's at fault. With her brother, that's just a bad bout of puberty, but her conflict with my husband worries me. I tried to get him to apologise for the things he said during her first days with us, but he insists she overreacted and the situation is in no way his fault. I am worried I no longer see things objectively because she is so much more attentive and helpful than the male family members. At the same time, I recognise that I have allowed my husband and son to get away with a lot of bad behaviour for the past few years. I think Charlie's presence and her vocal orders to get up and stop being couch potatoes intimidate and anger them. I feel caught between two fronts and wonder how I should best resolve the situation.... Does anyone have advice?

Oh my, sorry this is such a wall of text! Thanks so much for reading this, everyone!

OP posts:
wizzywig · 20/07/2017 23:11

You have changed names havent you?

Mina1967 · 20/07/2017 23:14

Yes, of course!

OP posts:
Finola1step · 20/07/2017 23:21

So your 17 year old dd returns to her own home and gets treated as an outsider almost immediately. And she has to share a bedroom with her 14 year old brother. Her own father sees her as some sort if threat and proceeds to be little her.

Your dd id probably counting down the days until she leaves. There will come a point when she won't return to your home again. That day may not be far away.

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Finola1step · 20/07/2017 23:22

belittle

wwwwwwwwwwwwww · 20/07/2017 23:27

Could your daughter not share with her grandmother?

WatchingFromTheWings · 20/07/2017 23:29

Your kids are far too old to be sharing a bedroom.

ijustwannadance · 20/07/2017 23:42

Sounds like your DH hates that he no longer has any control over her and that she is his equal.
Your DS probably feels like shit knowing his sister is the smart one who finds learning easy.

RedastheRose · 20/07/2017 23:43

From what you have said your H was well and truly to blame for the arguments and I would imagine he is furious because she got it bang to rights when she told him he was intimidated by her intelligence. He sounds selfish and pathetic tbh, he is her father and should have been proud rather than trying to make her feel small so that he could still pretend to be the big man. Your son sounds like a typical slobby teenage boy and however grateful you were it was wrong of her to tidy his stuff up. You should have insisted that the room was properly tidied before she came home and divided in two for the few weeks she's home (think moving furniture to demarcate or putting up a curtain and telling him he's to keep his crap on his side and she can keep her side as tidy as she likes.

Cranb0rne · 21/07/2017 07:37

She definitely should not be sharing a room with her brother. I would have felt so uncomfortable with that at 17 ( have similar age gap between myself and my brother).

Cranb0rne · 21/07/2017 07:38

Your husband sounds very petty. He is the adult and needs to man up and apologise to his daughter.

corythatwas · 21/07/2017 08:32

Sharing a room with her 14yo brother, whom she hardly knows, was definitely a bad idea and I can't see why you would think that would be preferable to sleeping on the couch. He was bound to resent her and she was bound to feel unwanted. You should have thought that one through and discussed it with the whole family (including your dd, obviously). Her tidying up his things was overstepping and she should recognise that.

It does look a bit as if you are overwhelmed by the presence of another Functioning Adult in the house and are letting her take over parts of your role, or your husband's role. This isn't actually a healthy dynamic and she should be reminded that she is not a parent, that you are grateful for help but that she is not in charge.

On the other hand, it is worrying that she feels so much like an outsider. Even if she has been away at boarding school, surely she has been home for holidays, surely she and you have some idea about her place in the family? From what you say, she sounds like a complete outsider, which is sad. What have you and your husband done over the years to make her feel still part of the family?

But finally, your husband's way of treating her is just WRONG. He feels threatened by the situation so instead of acting like an adult and asking "what can I do to sort things out for everybody" he just throws childish tantrums. Is this what he's normally like? Do you and your son defer to him all the time and let him be the Big Clever One? Is this a healthy dynamic?

Onelastpage · 21/07/2017 08:51

At 14, your DS has so many areas to develop in. He will know that everyone thinks he lacks that 'spark of brilliance' and hearing his father criticising his sister for better results than he could get... then having to receive 'brusque' help with his homework... oh, and his sister clearly saying he isn't her and Dad's equal... Ouch.

Yes, he should help out more (and be kinder to his sister) at his age but what you've described sounds really painful for him.

At 17, your DD isn't responsible for that and it's a difficult dynamic to manage. I know it could be really difficult with caring for your mother - is there any chance you could take both kids out to do something they might enjoy together away from DH and the disputed territories? Something silly you all do together during normal holidays or when they were smaller? (For my family that might be bowling or a funny movie).

I don't really know what to say about your husband. He stands to lose something irreplaceable (and eventually from DS too - at the moment it's easier for a teenager to blame his sister but that may not always be the case).

ExplodedCloud · 21/07/2017 08:55

And there's the golden child set up right there...
Your poor ds.

EssieTregowan · 21/07/2017 09:02

Oh god, I feel for your son.

His golden child sister is home and can do no wrong, cleans HIS room, barks orders at him to get up and do stuff. And then the icing on the cake is having her lord it over him with homework stuff.

She needs to wind her neck in, really. Your dh is out of order, obviously, but are you sure she doesn't have something of a god complex?

corythatwas · 21/07/2017 09:25

To me, it sounds like two children who have not been given the help they need.

She may have a god complex, but how much work has been put into showing her what her real place in the family is? Is it not likely that the god complex is a desperate attempt to establish herself in a place where she feels an outsider? It is your job as a parent to teach her the social skills to handle a difficult situation without barging in and taking over other people's lives.

And yes, it's going to be very hard on the ds if his sister suddenly swans in and is everything you value and (despite his tantrums) clearly everything his father values too. And nobody is proud of him in any way.

GinaFordCortina · 21/07/2017 11:19

^And there's the golden child set up right there...
Your poor ds^
Hmm

The op is discussing the daughter as it's clearly the reason her rather pathetic husband is kicking off.

I understand why the son is outniut but shit, sometimes things happen Ina family.

Op where is your daughter over holidays normally?

GinaFordCortina · 21/07/2017 11:19

Why the son is put out!

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