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How & when to tell DC (especially DD) her grandfather is in prison?

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chaosagain · 05/10/2015 11:14

My father is serving a long sentence for historical sexual abuse. My DD is 6.5. She hasn't seen him 2.5 years. (My DS is nearly 4 but doesn't remember him, I don't think).

There was a long time period between his initial arrest, police interviews etc. and the decision to prosecute and then the trial. (Nearly 2 years from arrest to conviction).

DD used to ask all the time where he was/when he was coming back. She adored him and he used to spend a weekend day with us about once a month prior my learning who and what he was/had done.

When I decided to cut contact with him (when he asked me to essentially lie in my police interview and I refused to do this), we really struggled with what to tell DD.

We told her (over several conversations, when she asked), that he had done things that had hurt people a long time ago and that he was a grown up and knew that it was wrong but had still carried on doing it and that he didn't want to say he was sorry. We told her that grown-ups take decisions that are hard to understand, but that's our job and that we had decided it was best we didn't see him any more. I told her she could always ask questions (she asked what he did wrong and I told her it really wasn't very nice and I didn't want her to have to understand it but I'd explain when she was older, which she accepted).

She struggled with it for a good while and was cross with me, which was our job to calmly absorb. I totally understood why she felt that way. The period running up to the trial last year was horrible, I really struggled with it all and struggled with the witness summons to court etc. After he was convicted and imprisoned I felt a great sense of relief and we've all moved into a much better happier space.

Which brings us to now. After months and months of not mentioning it, my DD has asked recently when she can see him again and whether he's 'sorry yet'. She says she misses him and he was so much fun. I said I knew it made her sad and that I know she and he loved each other but that nothing had changed. Since then she's raised it twice more - so 3 times in the last 2 weeks.

If he serves half of his sentence and then is paroled, he won't be released until she's a teenager.

At what point do we tell her that he's in prison? I don't want her to have to deal with other people's reactions to that (when she tells them about it), and I worry about the questions about why he's in prison. I don't want her tainted by stigma of offences that are his responsibility, because I know people's reactions aren't always what you'd like them to be. BUT I don't want her to feel like we've lied to her and for there to be a difficult and big reveal when she's much older. I'm wondering if she keeps asking about it because our answer isn't giving her enough to understand his absence.

She's a really bright, articulate child who is in some ways very mature for her age and in others not - she's a very intense child when it comes to her emotional world and in the past when I've struggled with my wellbeing, she's like an mirror - her behaviour becomes very challenging, especially with me.

Sorry it's long (didn't want to drip feed). At what age and how would you think about beginning a conversation like this?

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ImperialBlether · 05/10/2015 11:24

Does she know what prison is? Where does she think he is at the moment?

wannaBe · 05/10/2015 11:27

Sorry for what you all went through. As you've told her half the story i.e. that he did something very wrong I would be absolutely honest and tell her that she won't see him again.

I understand the not wanting her to know he's in prison because of wanting to protect her from others' reactions, but I would tell her that what he did was so bad and wrong that he is no longer a part of the family.

As she gets older she will realise what this means, and in time you will be able to tell her the truth in a more honest way.

tbh though, unless his name comes up in conversation, the likelihood is that she will forget him before too long.

chaosagain · 05/10/2015 11:27

She does know what prison is after a police topic at school last year. Interestingly, her and her brother play 'putting each other/baddies in prison' quite often.

She thinks that he doesn't come because I won't let him visit, which was initially true but has obviously changed over time.

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chaosagain · 05/10/2015 11:29

Thanks. I keep waiting for her to forget him, but the last few weeks has made me think that might not happen. It's been 2.5 years and she still talks about him and tells me about things she remembers - like him teaching her how to suck up spaghetti in a funny way..

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BYOSnowman · 05/10/2015 11:34

If she knows what prison is then just tell her that because of the bad things he did he has gone there and you can not visit him.

If there is no chance of him getting out before she's a teenager then tell her he will be in for ten years and then worry about it closer to his release date when she will be older and be able to understand better.

That's really tough for you though and I'm sorry for all you have been through.

ffffffedup · 05/10/2015 11:39

I think you should tell her he's in jail but you don't need to go into details of why she already knows that he hurt someone. My children are aware that the police put you in jail if you do something really bad. She will know then that she isn't going to see Grandad any time soon,if she does tell people there's no reason for you to be ashamed you haven't done anything wrong

Doublebubblebubble · 05/10/2015 11:40

I understand the not wanting her to know he's in prison because of wanting to protect her from others' reactions, but I would tell her that what he did was so bad and wrong that he is no longer a part of the family.

this^^ I would tell her now. The longer you leave it the harder it will get and the more she's going to ask. Don't make it into a big secret that she has to keep however.

Children are so robust and lots of children at school have lots of different things going on at home so even if they are initially shocked (and that's if she decides to tell them) it will be the next days fish wrapper... He could be in jail for not paying his council tax for whatever anyone else knows.. Good luck op and well done for doing the right thing against him. Flowers

chaosagain · 05/10/2015 12:22

I think the thing I've worried about in all of this is how to make her feel safe that I'll never just walk away from her if she does something wrong. So, in saying he's not part of the family, I worry that she might infer anyone's position in the family is fragile. She has a head that whirs endlessly and is quite angst prone - for example, I've found her sobbing in her bedroom before that one day I'll die and she won't have a mummy any more and that even if she's a grown up when that happens she'll be very sad. And on another occasion she was really upset that her dad and I might divorce one day (someone at school was going through this), even though our marriage is happy and relatively harmonious!

Maybe telling her he's in prison is better - because then it's something objectively 'bad', rather than just my say so. My DH feels we shouldn't be telling her this yet, that she's too young to be burdened by it - but I agree that the longer it goes on the harder it is.

I also worry that he'll come looking for contact when he's out - with her especially, but I've tried to put that in a box to deal with in a good few years.

She will tell people. I don't feel any shame about it (took me a while, rather illogically) because it's what HE did and he alone is responsible for it. I just want to protect her from negative reactions and the whole thing is not something I've discussed at/near school!

Thanks for your messages, it helps me in thinking about it all..

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carbolicsoaprocked · 05/10/2015 18:00

I would definitely tell her he is in prison, however I'd avoid if possible telling her why yet. She is old enough to understand the concept of prison but not yet old enough to understand the grim reality of it. If she's anything like me at that age (I was told about family members in prison at a young age) she will probably picture a cops and robbers type thing, and I think it's better to ease her into knowing he's in prison before she learns prison is not at all anything like the prison in her games with her brother. It would be great if you could avoid telling her why he's there for now, particularly if you think she'd tell people, who could then hold it against her. However I'd prepare answers to questions why anyway, as she may dig deep. Perhaps 'he was cruel to someone a long time ago' will be enough. If and when you do decide to tell her why, I'd emphasise to her that the blame is solely on him and that it is no reflection on her.

I wouldn't say to her that he is no longer part of the family as, as you said in your previous post, you don't want her to worry about being cut out of the family if she does 'something bad' when she can't understand how bad that thing would actually have to be.

Good luck in dealing with this. Cake Wine

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