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Having a hideously difficult time with DD3 (2.10)

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CharCharGabor · 18/09/2015 17:49

Apologies in advance as this will probably be long!

DD3 has always been a hitter/biter etc. I've done all the things I'm 'supposed' to do, with no signs of improvement. She started nursery in June and things eased a touch, I assume because she was exhausted!

Over the last 2 months issues with her behaviour have escalated massively, and at this point I'm finding it difficult to cope. She attacks DD2 constantly, a few seconds after I leave the room (i.e. to go to the toilet, cook.) DD2 is 5 and is under the paed for autism testing (although I am having problems there because she's apparently fine at school.) DD2 doesn't ask for help or move away without being prompted, and so ends up being hurt a lot. I monitor DD3 as much as I can, but if she's decided she's going to do something it's nigh on impossible to stop her without physically restraining her.

If I attempt to speak to her about her behaviour, she turns her head away, closes her eyes and sings to herself. There's no way to get a response when she does this, it's as if she has shut down. She also runs away when she has hurt someone/broken something etc. and also while out, and doesn't respond to her name being called. Nursery have also noticed this, and said it is as if she is in a bubble and can't hear them. Her hearing has been tested and is fine btw.

When she's not hurting people she is climbing, jumping off things, breaking things, fiddling. If has got to the point where I can't go to the toilet without having to deal with something she's done, and when cooking or doing my other DDs' homework I have to stop and stop DD3 from hurting herself or someone else every few minutes.

It has got to the point in the last few weeks where she refuses any request I make of her. It's almost as if she has to say no, just because I've asked her. I spend most of my time, from the moment she wakes up until she goes to bed, battling with her for one reason or another.

Nursery have also noticed that she is overly possessive of toys, and reacts as if children are going to take them off her if they even walk near her.

If I put her in her room she trashes it, rips clothes out of every drawer, throws her potty. If I put her in her pram she climbs out. Whenever I stop her from doing something she flies at me and starts to attack me. She also falls over much more frequently than I remember my others doing.

I just don't know what to do. A nursery nurse made some visits in April/May and was lovely, but she couldn't suggest any strategies that I wasn't already using. And they have made not a jot of difference, instead it's rapidly worsening. I have left a message for her to call me though, because I can't carry on like this. I am a single mum so there's no one else to pick up the slack.

Any insights would be fab please, I'm wrung out atm.

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CharCharGabor · 18/09/2015 20:02

Sorry, bumping because I'm pretty desperate!

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TeaAndNoSympathy · 18/09/2015 20:07

Gosh OP, it sounds so difficult. Do you think a chat with the GP might be in order? To see if they think it's something more than the terrible twos?

CharCharGabor · 18/09/2015 20:35

Thanks TeaAndNoSympathy. I'm going to chase up the nursery nurse on Monday as I can get in touch with the head HV through her and see if any referrals are needed.

Have just had trouble at bedtime, we were in the bathroom to brush her teeth and I stopped her from messing with the handwash. So she stopped responding to me, attempted to wedge herself behind the sink and then climbed into the bath and screamed her head off! I had to just ignore her until she stopped because the only other option is to physically move her and that just makes her worse.

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CharCharGabor · 18/09/2015 20:36

Meant to say, if the nursery nurse is no use I will be making a GP appt :)

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CharCharGabor · 18/09/2015 21:19

It seems like I spend most of my time thinking about this, which is really frustrating! At first I thought it was just terrible twos with a heavy dose of jostling for position as the youngest of 3, but it seems to be so much more intense than most of the other toddlers I know.

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CharCharGabor · 19/09/2015 09:03

bump

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Millie3030 · 19/09/2015 13:01

Feel for you OP, I have a 2yr old that isn't dissimilar, I tried the thinking step but I then turned it up a notch when it came to hitting as it was becoming far too often. So if he hits he instantly gets put in his cot, I leave him there for 2 minutes then come back and talk about how we must be gentle etc. it really helped, and he hasn't hit me in while.

I think their temperament is what it is, you are never going to turn a hotheaded toddler into a calm quiet one, they are just too different, all we can do is teach them the consequence if they hurt someone. Some days it feels like it is an all day battle with discipline other days it is a bit smoother. I sometimes find that my DS can wake up in a bit of a grump and needs a couple of minutes on the thinking step to reset him! Sometimes it's only 7:30am!

No magical advice, but I read toddler taming and the toddler book by Gina ford and kind of do my own version between them. May be worth a read?

CharCharGabor · 19/09/2015 13:14

Thanks Millie. I will have a look at the books :) I have consistently put her in her room when she hits/bites/pinches etc for about a month, mainly because if I try anything else she attacks me. It's only getting worse! Plus she trashes her room when left in there, whilst not being bothered at all about being left. I have no other safe place to put her. If she's not hurting her sister she's injuring herself, there's just no end to it!

Fingers crossed at some point in the future she'll grow out of it!

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ThumbWitchesAbroad · 19/09/2015 13:37

It's very early for diagnosing anything, but I'm going to offer you this as a suggestion, only because if it IS PDA, the behaviour management is very different to almost any other course of action. So have a look at this checklist, see if it fits your DD3, and if it does, then look up more about it and how to manage the behaviour.

I have a friend here whose DD2 almost certainly has PDA, she's just trying to find a paediatrician who has heard about it and is able to diagnose it so that the school will accept the diagnosis and be able to set up an action plan Hmm - her actual kindy teacher is very keen to take whatever help my friend can give, but the school can't do anything "officially" without the diagnosis .

Before PDA was considered, my friend was tearing her hair out with her DD2, as her behaviour was so bizarre and awful; now, she manages her a lot better. I'm not saying it is a magic answer, but if it fits, then hopefully the behaviour management suggestions will help you with your DD3 too.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 19/09/2015 13:41

Should say, I do understand the school's position, it's just a bit frustrating for my friend and the kindy teacher!

CharCharGabor · 19/09/2015 14:06

Thanks Thumbwitch :) I've had a look at the checklist and, although some things obviously don't apply because she's younger/not at school, she does tick an awful lot of boxes. She is often like a wild animal, and I just feel powerless to stop her. Every time I try a more 'traditional' way of dealing with her behaviour, she finds a way to completely derail it. For example, when she hit DD2 I used to move her to one side, say 'No hitting!' in a firm voice, comfort DD2 and then discuss with DD3 why she shouldn't hit people. Now after she's hurt DD2 she runs away and throws herself face down on the couch or floor and completely blanks me.

Poor DD2 gets targeted constantly, and I can see it having a negative effect on her. She rarely provokes DD3, and if she does it's unintentional (because she doesn't know that repeating the same thing over and over can be irksome.)

The dynamic of our whole house is horrible. She rules over everything, which just feels ridiculous and knocks my confidence a lot.

I will have a read about PDA and see if I can implement some things. Even if she doesn't have it I'll be able to try some strategies, because frankly mine aren't working at all!

It sounds very frustrating for your friend, especially if the teacher is so supportive.

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ThumbWitchesAbroad · 19/09/2015 14:14

Good luck - I hope the different management techniques do help, obviously you're still dealing with a near-threenager as well, so it might prove more difficult than with an older child (my friend's DD2 was 5 when this was suggested and it's been good, not perfect of course, but heaps better) - but anything that helps even a little bit has to be better, doesn't it.

Thanks and (((hugs))) for you - I have enough problems with my own DS2, who has only now just about given up biting us (he's 2.11) and he doesn't have half the behavioural issues that you've mentioned your DD3 does, so I really feel for you. Wine

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 19/09/2015 14:16

"She rules over everything, which just feels ridiculous and knocks my confidence a lot."

Yes, this sounds how my friend felt too - that her DD2 was the one around whom everything had to revolve, because her behaviour was just so difficult - she has 2 younger children as well and it was having a bad impact on all of them too. They still have bad days, but not so many now.

CharCharGabor · 19/09/2015 14:36

Thank you :) and much sympathies for you because I know just how horrid the whole biting thing is! I feel sorry for your friend as at least DD3 is my youngest. If she had been my eldest I would have assumed it was all my fault :( DDs 1 and 2 are reasonably well behaved (although DD2 is beyond passive) so at least I can try and tell myself that my parenting isn't causing it.

Doesn't help me to sleep at night, though.

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