Cot death/SIDS prevention/solution

[louisnz]

Felt I had to share this and no, no shares in the company below but I am a kiwi

This gets a lot of publicity in NZ and I'm surprised that this gets no air time here.

The figures speak for themselves - zero SIDS with babies on wrapped mattresses.

www.healthychild.com/has-the-cause-of-crib-death-sids-been-found/
www.stopsidsnow.com/SuccessOfMattressWrapping.html

People who research enough to wrap a mattress also do back to sleep, don't smoke round the baby etc etc.

That's what I would like to know.
Also I know it sounds trite but if it were such an easy fix then lower income and lifestyle Wouldn't need to be a factor ... just sell wraps with every mattress and boom: known correlations such as smoking, heat/cold, breast feeding, pre term babies would be over ridden.
Except they haven't been have they?
In a country which has had to "step up" it's actions in recent years, there has been an improvement in high income families who buy something to prevent SIDS. Presumably they don't have houses with heating and thermometers, breastfeed, have baby monitors, sleep with baby in the same room, don't smoke over them ...
And those that cannot afford/don't bother with it might be lax or unable to Provide protecting factors.

If it were that easy they'd have some kind of safety standard for mattresses and everyone would be safer instantly.

The other thing is that in countries that don't use thus research overall SIDS rates have significantly declined through reducing other factors. Factors like feet to the bottom, back to sleep, pro breastfeeding, room share till 6 months, don't smoke, safe temperature etc. Which would suggest gas is not the main factor even if it were one factor.

Sorry I am just suspicious as I've seen journalism and blogging like this about the causes of miscarriage/stillbirth - it always ends up a too-good-to-be-true solution. Then someone says "cover up". And of course you meet women seriously messed up as they read it after a tragedy and now think cling wrap killed their embryo or whatever.
The whole tone of the article seemed familiar and raised alarm bells.

X post with Penguins who raises the same thing. Mattress wrappers probably also have a thermometer in the bedroom, gro bag and don't drop fag ash on baby.

I haven't been able to find if the NZ government endorses mattress wrapping or not.

SIDS affects all demographics with some affluent parents guilty of smoking, sleeping with babies etc too, just to a lesser degree that's all.

There will always be conspiracy theorists and people trying to make a quick buck by scaring parents.

If anyone can find anything disproving the zero deaths in 100k figure please let us know.

That isn't how it works. If you want to rely on a statistic as 'irrefutable' then you demonstrate it's source, control group and validity.

Still 'missing 'my point about demographics too.

here you go
There were 54 deaths recorded as sudden unexpected death in infancy (SUDI) in 2011, including 24 sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) deaths.

Just trying to find out the rate

Ours is about. 7. Per 1000 live births iirc

So their Sudi rates are lower than that
I could be wrong, will check
If I'm not it is interesting but there's a long way to go until it's attributed to that one cause

DOn't Sweden have v v low incidence of SIDS?
I thought that was linked to the non-usage of fire-retardent chemicals in mattresses there, but I stand to be corrected.

Your quote in the OP says 0 deaths on 'properly wrapped mattresses'

So there were deaths on wrapped mattresses but they were deemed to be 'improperly' wrapped? Hmmm convenient.

The conspiracy theory is on the blog you linked to - in your words "making a quick buck"? Is it your blog post? Did you misread my post or are you admitting thus is scaremongering/a sales pitch.

I'm just going to be blunt: what makes me uneasy is the word "solution". Like you buy a mattress cover and you can smoke and whack up tge heating, no worries.
I'm sure the original research didn't mean thus but as soon as it's a "solution" it implies it's tge one/effective cure.
Dangerous in the hands of someone who might not understand or just be a bit lax.
You just claimed in your last post some of those miraculously protected families probably behaved dangerously: NOT GOOD.
Because we know those behaviours affect the risk of SIDS regardless of mattress wrapping. Tritely claiming those parents who were ok probably did something risky but we're fine because they wrapped is akin to saying because I have a good car seat I can drive too fast because it "solves" car danger (Even in countries where car seats aren't used, there's a correlation between fast driving and accidents. Car seats don't solve that).

Either you are a zealot for this or you have a vested interest. You keep promising stats you can't find then challenging others to disprove you.

This is not a miracle cure.
It probably does make things hygienic but the other methods - proven- of staying safe should not be underestimated.

If the NZ government, with its track record, endorsed this I would expect something as simple as a new safety standard for cot mattresses (much like the fire proofing rules - oh, and those chemicals have changed a LOTS in 50 years...as have mattress materials and anti mould fabrics).

Stealth I thought that was infant mortality full stop? (Sorry for personal reasons I have a lot of depressing stats in my mind). Pretty sure SIDS is 1 or 2 per 2000.

...sorry to clarify I meant for the UK.

...also are their causes of death/autopsies classified in the sane way? Very important.

Infant mort about 4.3
So you're right SIDS must be lower
Think I'm thinking of stillbirth rate sorry

Yes looks like they use icd 10 to classify deaths.

Stealth here are our rates. These would be conservative as from a charity wanting to make us cautious. Bear in mind how much bigger our population is (one moderate size city has the same population as nz) our rates are also very low. Far below 7/1000.
www.lullabytrust.org.uk/statistics

X post. Phew.

www.chimat.org.uk/maternity/factsandfigures

I know SIDS info is in here but can't access PDF on iPad can anyone have a look

You're a passionate bunch :) Look I read about the mattress wrapping when looking for a breathing monitor. Yes "solution" may be inaccurate but I still say the figure of 100k NZ births sans SIDS cannot be simply coincidental and is worth thinking about.

:) Only point I'm making is a responsible website should not even hint that there's a ONE magic bullet when it comes to prevention ... only takes one person to misunderstand and not follow all the instructions and those stats won't matter.
For example, no way as bad as SIDS but I lost a pregnancy to something random but 1/6000 risk. To me, 1/6000 means nothing now. All that existed before getting pregnant again was to follow accurate advice as it currently stands. There was a lot of smoke and mirrors maybe stuff out there and I know people who go stung (blaming themselves for not knowing and getting messed up, or ignoring everything excpet one thing they pinned hopes to). So now with all serious health things I'm very evidence driven.

I would hate for anyone to worry excessively OR think they can be lax if they have a wrap when it comes to SIDS, is all.

"I still say the figure of 100k NZ births sans SIDS cannot be simply coincidental and is worth thinking about"

But only if the figure can be substantiated. And only then if it is outside what you would expect from normal distributions compared to the probability of SIDS within the type of person who wraps a mattress.

I'm really interested to hear if the NZ government recommend it, as then presumably they would be the ones collecting figures on SIDS. But you know what, in that horrid situation contacting a company wouldn't be my priority. And I don't know what 'properly wrapped' means and who decides.

And I don't know what the underlying statistical risk would be for someone who is the type of person who wraps a mattress (i.e. are we talking correlation, or causation).

SIDS devastates families and, if wrapping a mattress helps, great. But it also leaves people very vulnerable to snake oil salesmen.

If you are just an interested layperson, I am sorry for being so hard on you. But you have no history under this username on this site and you've made (maybe with the best of intentions) some fairly sweeping statements. So people are going to come back quite hard with the other side.

I very much doubt it does any harm. So along with doing everything else (back to sleep, feet to foot, no smoking, etc), well go ahead if people want to.

I have heard that in Christchurch the instance of Sids fell after the earthquakes as new parents were handed crates for the babies to sleep in that had no where else to sleep. These 'beds' were considered safe places for their babies to sleep by the parents so many did not co sleep. There is now a program to give these bed to certain group in Nz. Others can buy the pepi pod I think it will be a long time until they know all the reasons babies die. Smoking does seam to be one and that does appear to be higher here. I suspect that there are many causes all you can do is read all you can and do what you think is best when you have your baby