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ASD & ambivalence about potentially being a mother.

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kiritekanawa · 16/08/2014 20:10

Posted this in chat, but maybe it wasn't light-hearted enough.

Sorry, this is long and complicated. Have been on here a while back, but NC as I was too identifiable previously.

All my life I've been defined by my work and my career. I've always put work first and lived a long way away from my family from the start of university. I have also struggled with depression and ASD all my life.

Putting work first (and quite possibly some of the depression) is mostly a reaction to having been very explicitly not wanted and disliked by my mother, who has always been self-defining by being the perfect mother and housewife (outwardly perfect, but obviously with lots of issues given my upbringing). My mother fairly clearly has ASD herself but isn't diagnosed, and thinks I am disgusting and a failure and subnormal, having been told of my mid-30s ASD diagnosis by my sister (whom I told in confidence and asked her not to share the info round. I don't think my sister has ASD, though other issues mean she is very like my mother).

My work contract is ending and I don't have another job to go to, and it's looking like I won't be able to get anything even close to what I've been doing for the last 20 years, where we live. So it's time to lose some of that self-definition-by-career that has been holding me together.

DH and I have had lots of discussions and decided it's now or never to try to have kids. We've been over it and over it so many times, that we're just going round in circles.

He wants kids, because he thinks it'd be great fun.

Some days I think having kids would be brilliant. I like the idea of going hiking with 10 year olds, or 18 year olds. I quite like the idea of homework and talking through understanding other people, and thinking seriously about how to mould little kids into responsible adults.

But most of the time I think I don't want kids, I'd hate the day to day drudgery of babies, I'd hate the fact DH got to go to work and have fun there whereas I would be stuck doing inane little kid stuff all the time for years, I'd be awful as a parent of small children, and that it would be terribly unfair on kids to have to put up with me with my readable ASD face and my depression and my need for time alone (and, by then, my loss of self-definition-by-career, and general huge guilt complex of not wanting to be my mother or my sister but actually having to do many of the same things that they do, while hating myself for capitulating).

DH's pretty emotionally mature, he gets on and copes with stuff and is productive and cheerful and helpful. He doesn't seem to understand how much of a struggle I have with things like intimacy and trust, and wanting to be around small children generally. He gets to be the fun uncle, sometimes, but he hasn't spent that much time around kids. He doesn't seem to notice that the only kids I can really relate to are ones with ASD, and that I find most kids way too smotheringly intimate. We've discussed this but it keeps coming back to some kind of impasse where he says he thinks it would all be fine. I've tried to ask what happens if I don't bond with a kid, what if it isn't fine - but we never really get anywhere.

Has anyone else ever felt so ambivalent when TTC ought to be fun and exciting? Does anyone who now has kids have ways of coping with this kind of worry? Does anyone have ways of coping beyond gritted teeth and a plastered-on smile if they haven't bonded with their kids?

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Scatterplot · 17/08/2014 18:18

This reads like a very difficult situation, and I don't have a good answer, but hopefully others will be able to contribute more.

I don't have depression or ASD but I do self-define by work a lot. I would find it hard to contemplate a future without work. I enjoy having a child (DD is 2.6) but the baby stage was tiring and repetitive at times - probably for everyone, some more, some less. I got through it by going for walks with the pram and watching box sets of TV series. I was happy to return to work full-time. I'm sorry about your contract ending and difficulty finding work nearby.

Is it possible to separate out your thinking about not working from your thinking about having children? For example, once your contract ends, what kind of things do you or might you do which you can structure your life around? This might be hobbies, voluntary work, friendships.

For the other side, thinking about how you relate with children, I think most people find it easier to get on with certain people (adults or children) than others. I think it's understandable to be worried about the uncertainty of what a/your child might be like and how you would cope if you found it hard to bond.

I think maybe more people feel ambivalent at this stage than would admit it, to themselves or others. But it is a genuine choice for you as a couple. I wish you well whatever you decide.

kiritekanawa · 17/08/2014 19:00

Scatterplot, many thanks for your answer.

Yes, I've been trying to think about what to do once work finishes. I guess some of next year will just be finishing off projects and writing things up (I'm an academic, so lots of odds and ends can be tied up in my own time). Some will be volunteer work, some will be marathon running, and there are friends who I'll see more than I currently do (I'm working overseas at the moment).

I've spent lots of time trying to think about how I relate with children. I guess something like half the time it's actually totally fine. I've no problem chatting and playing with some kids.
It's just the other half the time, I run into the same issue that i have with many adults, where I have nothing in common, neither of us is interested, and I don't have the social skills to actually make the situation work. I usually end up sounding patronising and offending people. Other people seem to have the necessary social glue to hold these things together, and I have to learn all these habits from scratch.
I think I have a very particular problem with "performative" people, kids or adults. Watching someone else constantly checking for approval from others really gets to me and i end up disliking the person, which given my totally readable face, is really not good when dealing with a child. I need to sort that out Confused

FWIW the thread I posted in chat got some traffic too.

Thanks again for your answer Smile

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Batmansunderpants · 26/09/2014 13:23

Whatever you do, don't be pushed into anything your not comfortable.
I suspect I'm on the spectrum but not diagnosed. Having children has been the hardest thing I've ever done. I find that having no escape from the noise, touching and constant stimulation very hard, and lots of guilt about how I feel.

I am very routine focused and one thing I have learnt is that kids don't work to a strict routine.

I always wanted kids so this is a surprise for me. If you go ahead with having kids you may be pleasantly surprised. I hope you are, or that you and your partner can find an outcome you can both live with.

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Moopants · 03/03/2015 22:09

I fell pregnant by accident and was surprised to find that I loved being a mother. I'd never wanted kids and could think of nothing worse than babies and entertaining children. Being autistic really helped me with the baby stuff and it's given me the opportunity to learn so much about play and social interactions that I didn't pick up on when I was a child myself .with babies and some kids It's all routine and focus is on one thing, the child. I was lucky that despite a few health issues I had a very easy baby and haven't found being a mother hard work at all. I might be an alien but I've been trying to work out what is so hard. Perhaps some of that is that my child is growing up an NT in an autistic world. It's great fun. Yes it changes life beyond recognition but for me personally that was no bad thing. That's not to say it would be the same for you.

Jackieharris · 03/05/2015 09:00

kiritekanawa

Where are you with this now? Are you ttc/pregnant?

I could have written a very similar op. My career was everything to me. I was devastated when I lost it when I had dcs.

I need the routine of a 9-5 job. My dc1 had a set routine so I coped ok. With dc2 it was a complete disaster. I'm now pregnant again.

So much of what is expected of you/mums is so hard for me
-small talk with other mums
-dcs touching you
-them having interests I don't share
-the noise when I need quiet
-sleep disturbance when I need to go to sleep and wake up at the same time every day
-giving them a varied diet when I want to eat the same foods all the time
-not having any 'intuition' as to why they are crying
-not being very emotional about things
-not being able to be empathetic if they fall and hurt themselves for example
-having fixed black & white views on what their behaviour should be
-being horrified at any baby goo/body fluids etc touching me
-not taking it personally when they do something that hurts me like pulling my hair
-the crowds at the school gates are the worst hell on earth

Does thing any bells for anyone else who's an aspie mum?

How am I going to avoid disaster this time?

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