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olatt · 09/09/2006 20:03

Any secrets/ tips for bringing up a bilingual baby? DH is French and we speak French at home so have just been talking to DS (16 months) in French and letting him learn English outside the home with others. He has some words in each language and a couple of things where he's happy with the Eng and the French (dog/ chien, chat/ cat is about it). Is there anything else we should be doing? Or should I speak to him in English (my native language) and DH in French?

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yellowrose · 30/10/2006 12:57

moondog - interesting that you call languages a "birthright". That is exactly the way I see it. I speak to so many 2nd generation immigrants here in London who say how upset they are that their parents didn't teach them Gujarati, or Mandarin, or Urdu or whatever. They say they cannot now pass that language on to their own children and effectively the language gets lost from their family. What a shame.

moondog · 30/10/2006 19:49

Exactly yellowrose.
Also,the door is effectively closed to these kids on a wjhole new way of life.
I am trilingual and it gives me enormous pleasure (as well as boundless career cultural and economic advantages) to be able to bounce in and out of three worlds.

yellowrose · 30/10/2006 20:11

moondog - long live trilinguals

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moondog · 31/10/2006 08:05

God,I sound like a right knob,don't I???

yellowrose · 31/10/2006 12:03

moondog - you don't - you sound very sensible to me. I on the other hand both sound like and am a genuine knob

moondog · 31/10/2006 12:07

I'm sure you're the antithesis of knobbery yellowrose......

yellowrose · 31/10/2006 12:25

moondog - you are too kind

hub2dee · 31/10/2006 12:49

yellow - you've seen dd's pics on here right ? There's the odd one of me / dw too. Interesting about your FIL and dh. It is different though when it's not your mother tongue and you're not in the country in which that language is natively spoken IYSWIM (as in for moi).

I agree with the birthright thing though, moon. It is part of their cultural heritage which to disown would be a great pity. I have a French cousin living in San Diego... we should go and live there, LOL, dd would pick it up quickly !

btw - moon in your 11:50 post you say "(the right move)" - do you mean the wrong move as in they should be speaking with them in Welsh (albeit poorly) or the right move because exposure to 'imperfect' / 'incorrect' language would impede their learning ?

Now, enough about knobs, laydees.

PS - There was a French mum / nanny at dd's playgroup today (her first ever session)... I will accost her next time and enquire about local French stuff.

yellowrose · 31/10/2006 15:01

hub - yes your daugther is lovely and the photos are amazing ! I defo. think you should be giving up your day job and doing photos as a prof.

I can't tell whether DH has a perfect accent or not (HE says it's a perfect Parisian accent !) as I don't speak French, however, if you are relativley confident with your French why not read some simple stories to your dd and get her some French tapes/dvd's and sing along together ! I know it may sound corny, but I am sure it will help your dd get an ear for that beautiful language. Also in your spare time you could work on improving your French. It will set an example for your dd later on !

God, I am such a bloody cheer leader for language skills

yellowrose · 31/10/2006 15:04

hub - my BIL & SIL both live in San Diego !

hub2dee · 31/10/2006 18:41

Deffo thinking about hte photography...

We've bought a CD of French rhymes and have a couple of books, but they're not my favourite read (probably because they're longer / harder stories rather than baby books IYSWIM and dd loses interest too fast)... I'll track down a few more bits...

Have you been over to visit them a lot ? I was somewhat disappointed by what I found, maybe I just thought it would be different to what it was, or maybe I didn't check out enough different / more interesting areas IYSWIM.

yellowrose · 31/10/2006 18:56

No hub - I used to go to an American school in my youth (in Vienna) and it put me right off American "culture" or ever wanting to visit to be quite honest.

They keep asking us to come over, and I keep putting it off !!

hub2dee · 31/10/2006 19:14

I presume this was an International School, yr ? I went to the American Community School in London and thought it, and the people, lovely.

yellowrose · 31/10/2006 19:17

hub - she may be a little too young for some of the stuff then. My DS is only really beginning to enjoy dvd's and songs since he turned 2. He is 2.4 yo now.

I just hope I won't have his primary school teachers calling me every day saying "Mrs Yellowrose, please come and pick your son up, he is monkeying around and won't sit still"

yellowrose · 31/10/2006 19:25

hub - sorry don't wish to sound anti-American ! I absolutely loved my school and my teachers were top notch academics (American International School of Vienna) - but I was there in the 80's when all the girls were Madonna mad and wore the most hideous stuff (NOW back in fashion unfortunately) - they all looked like they spend hours in front of the mirror trying to look like Madonna - the big curly blonde hair phase she went through with big white blouses and belts. God, look at her now !

I was a bit of a book worm and still am, so it wasn't my scene in that sense.

No it's American culture (and their Bush politics) I detest. Don't like the accent either, always managed to keep my Brit. accent. Otherwise, I do find Americans lovely, friendly people !

Sorry, this is totally irrelevant to this thread isn't it ???

hub2dee · 31/10/2006 19:50

Only 1/3 the student body was American at mine, maybe that helped, LOL. Oh, I am not desparately fond of them nor their politics, but I'm not overly attached to any 'land' IYSWIM.

You were obviously just too darn smart for your cohorts LOL.

yellowrose · 31/10/2006 20:17

hub - me neither on the land thing. I class myself as a citizen of the world

No - defo not too smart hub - just could never stand Madonna or Michael Jackson !

hub2dee · 31/10/2006 20:44

I think 'citizen of the world' (and also 'parent to all children') are vague concepts that actually have incredibly high value and intrinsic worth. If more people behaved as if everyone was family / precious to them, our lives, and the world, would be very different places.

moondog · 31/10/2006 23:47

lol at voming together.
Hub,I meant it was the 'right move' not to speak Welsh to their children,as something vital is missing from the communication exchange when the language is not your native tongue.

I do know quite a few non native Welsh speakers who can and do speak Welsh with their children and God,I admire them tremendously but do feel it is a call above and beyond their duty.

It is sad however it happens.My sister is married to a French man and has lived in France for years.She knows an English woman there,who doesn't speak English to her children. So weird....

Unfortunately it is pretty easy for white middle class people (like me) to bang on about maintaining linguistic and cultural ties. I can well appreciate how hard it must be for example,if one is a poor and ill educated immigrant,desperate to 'get on'.In such circumstances,the last thing those people would do often is to pass on a native tongue like Punjabi or Urdi.

My parents live in Saudi and my father speaks pretty good Arabic,much to everyone's amazement,but as he says 'Noone oohs and ahs over the Bangladeshi labourer who learns Arabic.He learns because he has too.'

We admire our father tremendously.We grew up in Zambia and PNG in the 60s and 70s,and despite infrequent trips home,no other Welsh speakers for miles around,and a lack of trendy resources,he raised three girls with proficient Welsh.

Much to her chagrin,my sister who is married to a Korean,is finding it hard to encourage her dh (who,to be fair,is away an awful lot) to maintain a totally Korean dialogue with their sons. She is a specialist teacher for children with English as a second language and is of course passionate about such things as we all are in our family,so if it is hard for her and her family,one can imagine how extaordinarily difficult it is for others.

Bit of a diatribe here,but a subject I am so passionate about...

hub2dee · 01/11/2006 00:03

I remember the Zambian Kwachas ! (I did a long trans-Africa trip when I was 18) (jeez - I hope I got that currency right). I will read my nearly 20-year old journal about my time there, moondog !

Re: something missing when not native tongue... the thing is though for many 'bilinguals', the second language isn't a native tongue so much as a language with which they have immense ease IYSWIM. They can slip in and out of it, they can think / dream in it, but for example, if you ask them what a 'supporting strut' is in that language they have no idea... for example, I can pretty much pass for a French person, but at times I'll have glaring gaps in the vocab, or I'll muck up some nuance of grammar or (the worst): I will try and write something and because I learnt orally / aurally my written is TERRIBLE.

Anyway, foreign language is enormoulsy vital because it enlarges the universe of potential mates... nothing like French girls. LOL.

moondog · 01/11/2006 00:09

Yes,you're right with the currency.
Ooooh,haven't you been around the block?!

Yes,as you say,something is always missing. In the case of raising young children,the missing part of the jigsaw is what is technically known as 'motherese' (ie the language used by parents notable for its repetitionn of syllables,'baby' words,simplified grammar and so on.)

I remmeber when training to be a SALT in London,the Greeks on our course found it tremendously difficult to interact naturally with young children in assessment clinics,because despite having excellent English,they didn't really know how to talk with Anglophone infants.

hub2dee · 01/11/2006 00:20

I'm thinking back now (this was 1988 / 89)... We visited some mind-boggling waterfalls - poss. nearish border with Malawi but I can't quite remember. Will dig out my journal tomorrow. Oh man, I miss Africa. I think back to all the young children I saw, and photographed when I was 18, and wonder what has become of them today. The trip changed me in many ways.

moon - I presume your family was in 'International Relations' - you also seem to have 'been around' a bit LOL.

Re: motherease - thanks for this (v. obvious with hindsight) definition... this is PRECISELY what I lack now re: talking to dd. So much of our chats at the mo are just sounds, or silly, or 'baby' / nonsense words; this is what she reacts to (as well as 'proper' words too of course), what she enjoys, what she repeats back, what she finds funny: 'Gabooooooooo !!!!!!'

What I need is maybe to find a French mum / dad with a younger baby than mine, or maybe closer in age (but as daft and silly as me) and listen / model some of the motherease...

Hmmm...

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