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Flexible childcare round shifts

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sammyad · 24/06/2014 15:50

Hi - am just pondering (a year in advance) how people with constantly changing working hours manage childcare?
Our situation - baby No. 1 due imminently. I am a medical student - will be off all this coming academic year, but going back next September to do clinical years which will see us through next 3 years. As far as I can tell (uni not overly helpful/ willing to commit to telling me) that should be Monday-Friday, normal-ish hours, but it will mostly be a long commute - 1-1.5 hours either side, probably means leaving 7am, getting back around 6.30 each night.
DP works in the emergency services on a ridiculous and baffling shift pattern - so some weeks (like this one) would be able to look after DC for two full days, and do drop-off the other three. Other weeks he could do no full days but most mornings til 11.30ish. Other weeks no days other than drop-offs. He's likely to be unreliable for pick-ups though as often unavoidably has to work late. Grandparents live nearby and are willing to manage pick-ups/drop-offs and a little bit of crossover time, but not full days except in emergencies/ occasionally to go out or something for a treat.
Money will be very tight, so I'm trying to work out if there's a way of organising childcare that's flexible enough that we're not paying for days when DP will be home and could look after him? DP is willing (and should be allowed) to 'fix' one day a week, or two alternating days, as days off, so we could at least guarantee one day childcare-free, but that would mean hardly any weekend days off, which would be a shame in terms of getting family time, and also actually slightly unhelpful from the point of view of his specific job. And the rest of the shift pattern would still be loopy.
Neither of us really have any friends with kids yet, and family's job situations are totally different, so finding what people 'normally' do is a bit tricky. I mean, surely childminders need to know when they are having children, and can't deal with the 'err well we only need you for three half days this week, but four full days next week' type thing? Makes income unreliable etc? Ditto nurseries presumably need to organise for known numbers.
Are we just going to have to bite the bullet and try to pay for ft childcare even though we won't need it about a third of the time?

Sorry this is really long (and really early) - just finding myself oddly pregnantly obsessing about this and interested if anyone has found a solution. Also obsessing tearfully about not wanting him to have to go into childcare at all, but such is life...

It's all going to get even more complicated when I start working shifts too, but at least by then he should be at school. Just in time to contemplate DC2 Grin

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BrieAndChilli · 24/06/2014 16:05

I thinking hospital have an on site child care nursery for staff, they are used to the shifts so will be more accommodating, especially as there will be people on opposite shifts to you using them

GorgeousPie · 24/06/2014 19:18

I'm in a similar position and am about to go back to work in a couple of weeks. I'll be working part time with no set days. I really worried about this and had been told that nurseries prefer set days - I made enquiries with childminders instead and have found most be really flexible. I am told to expect my roster 6 weeks in advance and the childminder I've chosen is happy with that. I'm lucky that my husband works 'normal' hours though so will be about for a regular drop off and pick up. I also found childminders to be cheaper than the nurseries I've looked at locally. All the best with your impending arrival! :-)

Thurlow · 24/06/2014 20:41

DP does silly shifts and I have a long commute so couldn't do pick up and drop off. We use a childminder who has been amazingly flexible. We pay her a set fee every month, having worked out the average hours based on an average months, with a little extra thrown in for inconvenience and emergencies. That way she knows how much she's earning, which seems only fair as otherwise some months might only be 60 hours and other 110, which doesn't help her plan. It still works out a lot cheaper than paying for 7.30-6.30 5 days a week at nursery, which I think is what we'd need to do to have a guaranteed place.

I also like the childminder because if anything goes wrong, either with my trains or with an actual emergency DP has to work, it means DD wouldn't be on her own in a big nursery with an assistant. We've had one disaster and the CM just fed DD dinner, gave her a bath and put in down to sleep in the travel cot until we finally made it there, which seems a lot nicer than being in a nursery.

Ask around - there are CMs out there who understand there is a real need for this sort of care and use it as their selling point.

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micah · 24/06/2014 20:49

As someone said, hospitals often have onsite childcare, but if you're only on placement you may not get a place (staff will have priority). Not all do extended hours either (beyond 8pm).

Have you checked with your uni? Many have nurseries now.

I'm afraid I researched for ages but couldn't find any childcare except for the standard hours. 8am-6pm. Some went 7.30- 6.30 if you were lucky. I ended up using nursery full time, and working out pick ups/drop offs. Very few will do ad-hoc hours.

There are informal childminders out there, but its finding them. Or you could buddy up with someone on an opposite shift rota and share a full time place.

It might sound a bit dodgy but I only got to know the local childminders once DC started school. If you loiter around school gates you could try approaching a few and asking. Childminders are usually the ones with kids from a few schools, or three/four under 5's, or in our case, several different ethnicities :)

You might need to ask GP's for help with pick up and drop off around a full time place..

Trooperslane · 24/06/2014 20:57

If you're anywhere near an airport, some of them have mega flexible nurseries who cater for shift workers like you.

I know of a few people using the one near us (Glasgow)

sammyad · 25/06/2014 17:29

Thanks everyone - sounds like childminders are the way to go. I guess I should get going trying to find one (/possibly loitering round school gates Grin) towards the end of this year, to start next summer? Suppose the further in advance the better...?
My uni does have a nursery, but I'm not at or anywhere near campus for most of the time for the next few years, and yeah hospital nurseries don't usually have space for placement students, though I guess it's worth asking if we're really stuck. I've asked DP to find out what his colleagues who have kids do but it's not yet risen to the top of his internal priority list and probably won't until the week before I'm due to go back Hmm so he keeps forgetting...

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MatriarchalDreams · 26/06/2014 21:27

I'm in a similar situation - DH has an office hours job, I'm a nursing student so hours/days can vary enormously. We have an arrangement with our fantastic childminder whereby we pay her for 25 hours a week, on a monthly basis in advance, regardless of whether we use that many or not. Then any hours over 25 a week we pay for in arrears the next month. She is happy to keep a full-time space open for us, there seem to be very few children round here who are in paid childcare full-time so all her other mindees are part-time, so even on the weeks when she just has DD for 25 hours, that's still more than she has any of the other children so she probably has potential to earn more with DD whilst still having some quieter days/weeks, lots of childminders don't like to work to capacity every day anyway, it appears (don't blame them, it's bloody hard work looking after small children!)

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