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How can I help my kids to not be like me?

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Whyamisocrap · 13/06/2014 00:58

Hello wise MN'ers.

I need some advice please. I'm feeling a bit sad and overwhelmed by this but don't know how to deal with it.

I have, pretty much my whole life, been ignored/invisible, and I am worried now that my kids are being affected in the same way.

I have always been the owe to make an effort, and then find myself being the one left out, so if I'm talking to someone and another person comes along, instead of the conversation being a three way thing it usually turns into a two way thing with me on the periphery. That in a nutshell sums things up. This has really affected my confidence and although I still try and make an effort with people, this keeps happening and I really don't want the same thing for my children.

My DD who is 6, is often excluded from games at play times at school. She will ask if she can join in, but the 'leader' of the game often says NO. Recently the school had a competition and she wanted to join a group, and again was told no, so she gave up. I try and encourage her to join another group, but she has been told No so often that I think she is now at the stage where she says she' drat her play by herself. She does have some friends that she really likes but the same happens with her and if anyone else joins the group, they go off and she gets left behind.

I have spoken to her teacher about this and she says that my Dd is very friendly and polite and not bossy or overbearing, so she doesn't understand why this might be. She has tried to help my Dd by talking to her about it, but my Dd doesn't want to 'tell on anyone' which is what she thinks she would be doing by talking about what happens. My DD is at a girls school.

My DS is still at nursery, and seems to be happy and has lots of lovely friends. He has also made a friend at my DDs school with a boy who is there at pick up time. He has played nicely with him, and I have never noticed that the other boy doesn't like my DS. Today though, this boy was there with one of his friends. My DS went to play with home, after asking me if he could go and play with his friend. But the boy was just rude to my DS. Whenever my DS tried to talk to him, he just covered his ears and told him to go away. My DS is only 4 so he kept running back to me a bit confused, but then would go back. I watched and this happened about 4 times. In the end I told DS not to go back as the boy was being a bit rude and that he didn't want to play with DS. DS was a bit upset by this as he is used to playing with this boy, most days. Again, my DS isn't bossy or rude or overbearing.

Anyway, I am really struggling with this as I don't know how best to help my Dc. I don't know whey this sort of thing happens with such young children, but I know it does.

How can I help my Dc deal with these sorts of things, so that they don't grow up feeling like I do. That I am somehow unlikeable and only useful as a last resort. This is really how I feel. People will talk to me , but only if there are no other options. I know this is life and you have to just ignore it and get on with it, but I am so upset and feel like a crap mum who can't help her kids. I really want them to be able to just be more confident and self assured than I am, as it's not much fun living your life wondering why you're not good enough.

I went to bed about 3 hours ago and couldn't sleep, so decided I'd come here for help.

Thankyou for reading this apologies for the rambling nature of this. I can't quite form sentences as I am genuinely upset about this.

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soontobeslendergirl · 13/06/2014 17:09

It was just she said it would be too much for her son to come to ours and then have a play date at 330, but managed to fit in another play date anyway. Ah missed that bit, maybe she thought it was less tiring if she is there i.e. less stressful or maybe her child just isn't very comfortable without her there and she didn't like to say.

Whyamisocrap · 13/06/2014 19:57

Thanks Mexican. It's good in a way to know we're not alone in feeling like this isn't it.

Tbh I've never really wanted to be the centre of attention, but I've never enjoyed being at the opposite end of that scale either. I think you're right when you say it feels worse sometimes but not always.

Also, I've talked a lot about me on this thread, but I am not so worried about it for me. Just for my dc really. But I,m glad we've talked about being lemoned as again it does make me feel less like a lemon, if that makes sense.

Soontobeslender, the mum was invited too, but like you say, there are probably lots of reasons why things happened the way they did, and to be fair, had I not known about the middle of the day play date, I'd not have even worried about it. I,m terrible with excuses people make and a bit like a Rottweiler with a bone and can't let it go if I know someone has felt the need to make up a story to appease me somehow. Does that make sense? When I say I can't let it go, I mean, I worry that I must have come across as this, that or the other or done or said something wrong.

I really really appreciate everyone's replies. I was feeling really utterly crap last night and I know I would have worried unnecessarily today too, so thankyou for helping me re focus away form what I have or haven't done wrong. I think I see now that I need to help my kids deal with the things they face and the books referred to will hopefully help me and them. I also need to have more of a 'oh well, never mind' attitude and just leave people to it, and not let their inconsistent excuses, behaviour, lemonising etc get to me.

I didn't know all of that last night. I felt totally rubbish, so once again MN has helped me more than anyone else I could have asked. And I must say more than the many weeks of counselling I have had.

Can I put this into practice, I don't know. Hopefully the mood gym CBT site can help with that.

You are all completely and utterly amazing and kind and thankyou for not telling me I was being stupid, even if I was.

Thanks Cake Brew Wine for you all. Xxx

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unrealhousewife · 13/06/2014 22:27

Grin Lemonising Grin

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Letsgoforawalk · 13/06/2014 23:07

You were definitely not in any way being stupid. In fact this thread has put a new verb into the English language .. "To Lemon"
How clever was that!
Smile

BravePotato · 14/06/2014 10:47

Love how we invented a new word (lemonising)

See, Whyamisocrap, in your shoes I would fo 2 things:

If I fancied going to the coffee thing I'd go and leave the other mum to deal with any feelings of uncomfortableness herself, I am not responsible for her emotions. I would not be pas-agr, just chilled.

I would change my username!

And I would be just a bit less available to people who you feel use you. Just say "it us nit convenient".

Never give lengthy ( or any ) explanations.

Never apologise never explain is a pretty useful motto! Just calmly go your own way and do what suits you, that is what everyone else does!

BravePotato · 14/06/2014 10:50

Ok, saying "it us nit convenient" might make them think you are weird. Try saying: "it is not convenient" instead

Whyamisocrap · 14/06/2014 15:05

Really good advice. Thank you.

I might have to use the 'it us nit convenient' next time I allow myself to be lemoned. Grin

I started reading the learned optimism book last night, and for the first time ever I am reading something that really describes me and how I am so well.

I love that there's actually a solution to it too.

Thanks again everyone.

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Whyamisocrap · 14/06/2014 16:19

By the way, I posted this under a name change. I don't know why. Just felt stupid and wanted to 'hide'. Hmm

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MexicanSpringtime · 14/06/2014 18:16

I'm so glad that this is a namechange OP, because I hate seeing you refer to yourself so negatively.

funnyossity · 14/06/2014 18:43

I was going to say change that username but thought it was a bit overbearing in the circumstances!

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BravePotato · 14/06/2014 20:33

Good luck ??

Tnt22 · 13/01/2026 09:29

I struggle with this too.

Tnt22 · 13/01/2026 09:30

Whyamisocrap · 13/06/2014 00:58

Hello wise MN'ers.

I need some advice please. I'm feeling a bit sad and overwhelmed by this but don't know how to deal with it.

I have, pretty much my whole life, been ignored/invisible, and I am worried now that my kids are being affected in the same way.

I have always been the owe to make an effort, and then find myself being the one left out, so if I'm talking to someone and another person comes along, instead of the conversation being a three way thing it usually turns into a two way thing with me on the periphery. That in a nutshell sums things up. This has really affected my confidence and although I still try and make an effort with people, this keeps happening and I really don't want the same thing for my children.

My DD who is 6, is often excluded from games at play times at school. She will ask if she can join in, but the 'leader' of the game often says NO. Recently the school had a competition and she wanted to join a group, and again was told no, so she gave up. I try and encourage her to join another group, but she has been told No so often that I think she is now at the stage where she says she' drat her play by herself. She does have some friends that she really likes but the same happens with her and if anyone else joins the group, they go off and she gets left behind.

I have spoken to her teacher about this and she says that my Dd is very friendly and polite and not bossy or overbearing, so she doesn't understand why this might be. She has tried to help my Dd by talking to her about it, but my Dd doesn't want to 'tell on anyone' which is what she thinks she would be doing by talking about what happens. My DD is at a girls school.

My DS is still at nursery, and seems to be happy and has lots of lovely friends. He has also made a friend at my DDs school with a boy who is there at pick up time. He has played nicely with him, and I have never noticed that the other boy doesn't like my DS. Today though, this boy was there with one of his friends. My DS went to play with home, after asking me if he could go and play with his friend. But the boy was just rude to my DS. Whenever my DS tried to talk to him, he just covered his ears and told him to go away. My DS is only 4 so he kept running back to me a bit confused, but then would go back. I watched and this happened about 4 times. In the end I told DS not to go back as the boy was being a bit rude and that he didn't want to play with DS. DS was a bit upset by this as he is used to playing with this boy, most days. Again, my DS isn't bossy or rude or overbearing.

Anyway, I am really struggling with this as I don't know how best to help my Dc. I don't know whey this sort of thing happens with such young children, but I know it does.

How can I help my Dc deal with these sorts of things, so that they don't grow up feeling like I do. That I am somehow unlikeable and only useful as a last resort. This is really how I feel. People will talk to me , but only if there are no other options. I know this is life and you have to just ignore it and get on with it, but I am so upset and feel like a crap mum who can't help her kids. I really want them to be able to just be more confident and self assured than I am, as it's not much fun living your life wondering why you're not good enough.

I went to bed about 3 hours ago and couldn't sleep, so decided I'd come here for help.

Thankyou for reading this apologies for the rambling nature of this. I can't quite form sentences as I am genuinely upset about this.

I see this has been over 10 years ago. How are things now? How are your children and how are you?
I feel the same exact way and came on here for some advice and insight. I'm curious to know how your kids are now?
I hope things have gotten better for you and your family. This parenting thing is wild. Sending hugs.

johnd2 · 13/01/2026 10:50

Tnt22 · 13/01/2026 09:30

I see this has been over 10 years ago. How are things now? How are your children and how are you?
I feel the same exact way and came on here for some advice and insight. I'm curious to know how your kids are now?
I hope things have gotten better for you and your family. This parenting thing is wild. Sending hugs.

Tbh looking at my own children who are similar ages, they don't ask, and they don't take no for an answer. I'm having the opposite problem of teaching them that stop means stop and no means no.
As an adult, it's important to follow these exact social protocols but I think kids play is more like orbiting planets, they move closer, move apart, and out of the chaos forms a bit more structure.
Maybe just understand that some people are the centre of everything and others are less so, it's not always nice but just help them to find their own place.

Whyamisocrap · 17/01/2026 20:55

Hello Tnt22
This is such a memory jogger… I’m not sure I can reply as I haven’t been on mumsnet for a while so I am sending this as a test to see if I can and if I can post I’ll reply properly later. Sending a huge hug to you too xxx

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