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ex trying to force dd to visit (sorry, might be long)

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Kim82 · 28/05/2014 10:52

Hi, I'm just after opinions as I'm not sure if I'm doing the right thing or not. Dd1 is 9 years old (she'll be 10 in August). I split up with her dad when she was 17 months old and ds was 4. She has never had the best relationship with him, he's quite lazy and doesn't do much with her when they go to his house and he has always preferred ds. Ds (now 12, almost 13) isn't a problem and goes to his dad's every weekend on alternate Friday and Saturday nights as has always been the arrangement. Dd1, however, over the past 2-3 years has started to go less and less.

I have another dd with my dh who is almost 7 and dd1 and dd2 have the closest relationship ever, they are always together, they rarely argue and love each other fiercely. This is a factor in dd1 not going to her dad's so much (she wants to be with her sister instead).

Anyway, over the past few years my ex has made it blatently obvious that he prefers ds over dd1, he does nothing if dd goes to his house but if she isn't there then he takes ds out on trips, he sometimes picks him up through the week to take him to watch a film, or go fishing, etc. Etc but dd1 isn't invited as she "wouldn't like it". I have tried to get him to do things with dd but I can't force him to.

It has got to the point where dd hasn't been to her dad's for 3 months. I fell out with ex last week and ended up telling him exactly what I think of him and how it's disgusting how he treats the dc differently and that it's no surprise dd never goes to his house and that if he loses his relationship with her then he has nobody to blame but himself.

I obviously hit a nerve as this weekend just gone I managed to convince dd to go to his house as it was her younger half brother's birthday (a child ex has had since we split) and ex told her they were having a nice party for him and that she could just go for a couple of hours and that if she didn't want to stay overnight then he would bring her home.

So, she went to the party and ended up staying overnight. I was pleased as I thought he was obviously now making an effort with her. However, when she came home the next day it transpired that the party was over with by the time she got there, she was given a piece of birthday cake then left to her own devices. She didn't want to stay, she wanted to come home but he wouldn't let her.

He now wants her to stay at his mum's tonight and spend the day with his mum, his sister and his sister's kids tomorrow. Dd initially said she'd go but has since changed her mind and doesn't want to. I told him she doesn't want to go and he rang and shouted at me down the phone saying she should be made to go. I refuse to force her to do something she doesn't want to do. She is a very shy, anxious child who can be clingy with both myself and dh (who she has a very close relationship with) and I would never force her to do something she is not comfortable with.

I have tried gently encouraging her to go (as I always have done with visits to her dad's house) but I'm not willing to force her.

Ex has spoken to dd on the phone twice, the first time she relented and said she'd stay at his mum's but then within 5 mins of getting off the phone told me she doesn't want to go but didn't know how to tell her dad this. I then told him again she doesn't want to go, he rang again and spoke to dd but she stuck to her guns and said she wasn't going. He is now going to get his mum to ring my phone to speak to dd to try to convince her. I'm obviously not going to let her speak to dd as she blatently doesn't want to go.

I'm just wondering if I'm doing the right thing by not forcing dd to go to her dad's house on a regular basis a more often than not I get a tearful phone call within a hour of her getting there asking me to pick her up as she wants to come home.

I just feel as though because I pointed out he's a dick with vow he acts towards dd that he now wants me to force dd to go where she's not comfortable to lessen his guilt! She hardly knows his family, she must see her grandma twice a year at the most yet he's wanting to to spend the night there to "get to know her family better".

So, the upshot is, should I encourage dd to stay with her grandma and also force her to go to her dad's every weekend when she doesn't want to go? Any advice would be welcome.(sorry it's so long!)

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crazykat · 28/05/2014 11:22

Its a tough one. I've been on the other side with my DSD not wanting to stay with us as we don't have the money to go out every week and she has rules here and not let do what she wants for a quiet life. If it was just a case of different rules at her dads house I'd say you need to make her go.

However given the way your ex treats her I'm inclined to say don't force her. She's clearly being left out and the fact that he takes her older brother out for treats etc and leaves her out is not on. If she doesn't want to go then don't force her. Unless there's court ordered contact as you could end up in trouble.

I really feel for your dd. my DH has the same with his dad, SIL and her kids get so much off him eg he takes SIL DCs on holiday all summer, DH and out DCs don't get so much as a birthday card. Its hurts DH though he won't admit it so it must be awful for your dd.

Kim82 · 28/05/2014 11:48

Hi, thanks for your response. The contact isn't Court ordered so I have no worries there, it's also not about having different rules or a lack of money (there are no rules at ex's house that's why ds loves it - he's allowed to play on the xbox the entire time he's there whereas at home there's a limit!). I have tried asking ex to just sit at a table and draw with dd as it's something she loves but he just can't be bothered to do anything with her once she's there. She's pretty much ignored. Dd and I once packed a bag full of teddies and toys for her to leave in her bedroom at her dad's house so she had something to do whilst there but he sent it back home with her saying they didn't have room for it! I didn't understand that as she has her own room there but that's the sort of thing he says/does. Grrrr!!

Do you think I'm justified in not making her go then? I'm just worried about it somehow backfiring on me or dh in the future...

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crazykat · 28/05/2014 12:35

I don't think you should make her go if she really doesn't want to. Make it clear to her that if she does want to go then its fine and she can go. My DSD was trying to play us off against each other so she would get her own way which was different.

Your dd sounds like she has a miserable time there so I don't blame her not wanting to go. I think as long as she knows she can go if she wants then it shouldn't backfire on you and DH.

Keep encouraging her to keep in contact with your ex and ask if she wants to go but I wouldn't force her. At ten she's old enough to know her own mind.

If your ex doesn't like it then tough, its about dd not him and if he really wants her there then he'll include her in treats and do things she likes regardless of whether he finds it boring.

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wannaBe · 28/05/2014 12:56

It’s a difficult one. I do think that on the one hand children need to be free to make their own choices, however I also think that we need to not lose sight of the fact that they are in fact children and do not realise the wider implications of the choices they make. Plus your dd is only free to make those choices because of the choices adults have made i.e. because you and your ex are no longer together, if you were still together your dd wouldn’t be free to say she doesn’t want to see her father for instance.

I would also be careful that your dd doesn’t end up telling you that her dad is ignoring her/not doing anything with her just to not have to go, when actually the kids might just be hanging around at home which is, on the whole, normal for most families of a weekend. Weekends with one or other parent shouldn’t be expected to be full of treats/doing things together.

I think that as tempting as it is to be the one to say that your dd is free to make her own choices, you are essentially facilitating her reducing her relationship with her father, and at ten I don’t think that is appropriate unless there was actual abuse involved. If there are actual reasons not to go e.g. an activity she needs to go to for instance then it would be ok to allow as a one off, but based on the fact she doesn’t get given treats I would explain that different relationships are different and things won’t necessarily be the same at her dad’s as they are at yours and I would at this stage still make her go. Bearing in mind that if the two of your kids go at the same time then it won’t be possible for your ex to take your ds for days out and not your dd, whereas because she is refusing to go he is able to do these things for your ds.

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