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DS hates his grandma... everyone is upset, help!

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kitegirl · 30/08/2006 09:06

Having a terrible time here this week, I could do with some advice! DS1 is 2.6, going through a mild spout of terrible twos, has other issues which we are just starting to deal with (speech delay, some autistic traits, social communication difficulties). Our DS2 was born 3 weeks ago, DS1 has been ok but obviously has had to adjust quite a lot especially as I have not been able to spend as much time with him as before.

My mum is here for a week, 'helping out'. My parents are Finnish, but because of DS1's language difficulties we speak only English to him (DH is English). Me and my parents don't get on, I don't really go home anymore and they come visit a few times a year for a long weekend - last time was in March. My mum is, obviously, terrified that DS1 will never get to know her, she is desperate to have a role in his life and to be a grandma. This week, however, has been awful. DS1 has been crying, not wanting to play with my mum, refusing hugs and just screaming 'no!' and crying when she tries to speak to him. But my mum is so in-your-face, she has barged in, eg insisting to do his bath-time on the first day (DS1 in despair, 'who is this strange old lady poking me in my bath?'), keeps picking him up and poking him, sticking her face right in front of him and going 'give grandma a kiss' the way old ladies do - and basically never leaving him alone. I have given her guidance as to how to play with him (she has no idea what toddlers are into) and it's getting better but he is just so unhappy and keeps wanting his mummy. And my mum is really upset and has spent the whole week moping. We've had arguments, I am a hormonal sleep deprived mess what with constantly breastfeeding a newborn, and I don't know how to play this. My gut instict is to tell my mum to back off and give DS1 time to come round on his own. Any advice?

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Auntymandy · 30/08/2006 09:08

is she been a bit in his face? trying to get to know him? Best thing is to back off and let him make the moves...good luck!!

cupcakes · 30/08/2006 09:09

That sounds tough. How long is she staying for?

kitegirl · 30/08/2006 09:10

Am I know and that's what I have told my mum but she gets upset as in 'you are always criticising me... I can't do anything right' blah blah blah. I just want her to leave to be honest.

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kitegirl · 30/08/2006 09:11

cc she's visiting for a week. She does speak English to DS1, it's ok but not great so that obviously doesn't help.

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Auntymandy · 30/08/2006 09:13

Deep breath!! its only a week!!!!
Try and go out etc.Then she doesnt have to interact too much! Trip to the park things like that

cupcakes · 30/08/2006 09:14

when is she leaving?
tbh, I can't see any way to rescue the current situation. I would explain to her that he's upset because of the baby and is worried she is supposed to be replacing you. Make her think it's not her that's the problem. Just be diplomatic for now.Tell her that next time she visits he will probably be different, it's just that he's insecure at the moment and just needs normality.
Maybe next time she comes, you can suggest some things in advance so she is not too overwhelming.

jay4568 · 30/08/2006 09:19

Sounds horrendous! I think if that were me I would suggest that Grandma sits on the floor playing with ds1's toys and ignores him until he comes over to see what Grandma is doing. Then lots of attention, ie how does this work?, what does this do? If she could keep this up for a day or so without asking for hugs/kisses ds1 may feel more in control of the situation and offer a hug himself?

JackieNo · 30/08/2006 09:21

You have my sympathies kitegirl. My mum is originally from Germany, though has lived in the UK for over 40 years now. As a result, we never really knew our German grandma well, and she's petrified that the same will happen with her. Doesn't help that she lives 4.5 hours drive away, so we don't get to see her very often. DD (6) has a love/hate relationship with her - they don't always get on, and I've had to lay down the law a couple of times - honestly it felt as if my mum was yet another child that I had to tell how to behave properly. I'm not really sure what to suggest - definitely encourage your mum to back off, and let your DS make the first move, though that's very difficult when she's only around for a week. My mum said that she had some advice that worked for her from a fellow grandma, which was 'let them do what they want'. I think to a certain extent, this could be useful - let your DS make the choice of what to do with his grandma - she can give him the choice of x or y - make both options little treats (visit to the park or making some cakes together or something). Hope it works itself out.

castlesintheair · 30/08/2006 14:53

Kitegirl, we had a similar problem with my DS when he was a bit younger than yours and he also had a speech delay/social comm. difficulties. My lovely FIL who is Greek and very gregarious terrified my DS for some time - my DS would see him and burst into tears! Luckily my DH's family are all pretty outspoken and my English MIL told him to back off. My DS is now 4.6 and absolutely ADORES my FIL and has done for at least the last 2 years. Coincidentally, during that time his speech/communication difficulties have all caught up.
I really sympathise, but as it is your mum and you have just given birth and your DS has a new sibling to adjust to, I think you need to tell her to back off for a bit and let him get to like his Gma in his own time. You and your family are the important ones here. People forget that toddlers have their own likes & dislikes and most don't want to be forced into something against their will. I hope it improves for you

kitegirl · 30/08/2006 17:31

thanks for your suggestions.

my mum doesn't take too well to being told, and keeps reminding me that it's not me she's come to see anyway but DS1. We have, shall we say, a history... there has been one big argument already this week with her in tears threatening to pack her bags and 'never come back' (like I need another child!). She is a very selfish and emotionally retarded woman, and has the sensitivity of a buffalo.

My dad is coming for the weekend so the whole nightmare will start again as he will expect DS1 to welcome him with open arms. Cue tension and sulking and me deciding that it's time to move to New Zealand so that these visits would stop.

castlesintheair its reassuring to hear that DS may warm to them when he's a bit older.

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Wordsmith · 30/08/2006 17:42

look at it from his pov. he doesn't hate grandma, he doesn't even know her. and now he's gone from being mummy's one and only to being pushed out for a baby (this is how he may see it). it's all bad news from his pov. your mum needs to understand this, but it's hard for her - she only sees her grandson every few months and want's to be a proper granny. she needs to cool down a bit, he probably will be better next time when the baby's not so new.

aaronsmummy · 30/08/2006 17:49

I would think it is gard enough for ds1 to cope with a new baby without your mum getting in the way. He is probably very confused. Go with your instincts. Good luck.

Crystaltips · 30/08/2006 17:52

OK ....

FIrst things first .... if you are sleep deprived ... then your Mum should be there to help ... FFS that's what they are thre fore

I would ask her perhaps to amuse DS1 for an afternoon .... let's say baking perhaps .... DS1 will love licking the bowl and helping .... and she should get what she wants ... interacting. Then .... you get some sleep !! ( easier said than done ...) perhaps a bath then ....

But the flip side of this is that she should look after the baby for an aftternoon / morning. That way you can spend some time with DS1 so that he wont feel too abandoned ....

either way .... thank your Mum for all her help ( and that she is being sooo helpful ) .... I know it's treating her like another child .... but if it works .... then Hey !!

HTH

bobblehead · 30/08/2006 17:54

Is there anyway you could get her a little more involved with ds2 (in between the endless breastfeeds!) just to take the heat off ds1 a little. After all this is another grandchild to 'bond' with. If she could take him for short walks in the pram and give you a little time with ds1 he may see her as less of a threat.

fattieSlapper · 30/08/2006 17:56

You said that your DS has autistic tendancies.
can you not explain to your mum that if DS is autistic then he will find change very difficult. being in a room full of strange adults will be very difficult for him and he realy wont enjoy being bathed by someone he doesnt know.
we as adults may understand that she is his granny but he wont, and certainly not if he is ASD.

I hope you are able to get through to your mum without casuing any more tears.
Must be incredibly difficult.

Morningnewspaper · 30/08/2006 23:13

I don't know if this helps at all but I remember as a VERY young cild (from 3 yrs upwards) feeling terribly pressurised by my Mum asking me to tell her I loved her, her asking for hugs etc - it all seemed to be her demanding stuff from me - her being the child and putting me in an adult situation - I found her so intense and cringy. To this day, she still tells me how I used to physically push her away when she tried to get me to hug her. I remember feeling completely physically trapped by her forcing me in to hugging her. It was awful.

I do think that anything that involves an adult being emotionally needy towards a child is a disaster and they pick up on it as something 'not nice and not to warm to'. I don't know what the solution is other than biting the bullet and accepting that by being honest with your mum, you will have another row. At least it may help to solve this and then she can really get on with being a help to you and building a proper relationship with DS1? Children need to give freely, not have emotional things demanded from them - it makes them very uneasy and stressed. Sorry if I sound on my high horse about this.

AngelaChill · 01/09/2006 19:09

Give her the newborn to cuddle whilst you play with DS, the baby doesn't care who's arms he/she lies in but i bet your DS would love some mummy time.

samnbabes · 01/09/2006 20:01

Argghh - just what you ned with a new baby and an adjusting-to-new-baby toddler ... a fractious grandma! Much sympathy.... My toddler spent his holiday with granny shouting 'go away granny, I don't want you' - so restful for all of us...

Agree with earlier suggestions to find other reasons for ds's behaviour - a slightly easier way to say 'give the kid a break'... and if you've got the energy, find some guarenetted toddler-pleasing activities that she can do with him, so there's a point of focus for them both rather than just each other - might help diffuse things. Cooking is a great suggestion - or (if warm enough outside) some water play/painting, or gardening/planting up some winter bulbs (a classic grandma job?)

The very best of luck to you...

PS From my (limited) knowledge of autism, will it help to do lots of pre-warning of your dad's imminent arrival too? Sorry, this sounds like all the responsibiltiy is going back on you, which is sooo unfair... (I'd be very tempted just to have a big old rant at them both, but am guessing that's be counterproductive in the long run, if hugely satisfying at the time

kitegirl · 01/09/2006 21:04

She is not interested in our new baby. Because, in her words 'the baby won't remember anything whereas DS1 will'. So she has to spend every waking our hassling him. I have tried to suggest painting, cooking but she is just so useless that all she can do is poke him or stick her face right in front of his cooing (ffs he's not a hamster he's a little boy!). When I tried to talk to my mum she had a strop, cue tears and drama 'I never get to see my grandson and now you are telling me I am doing it all wrong'. She is just so unpleasant. Me and DH just sat through dinner with gritted teeth listening her wittering on about the weather and - vegetables. Not kidding. Two more days. Deep breaths. Two more days.

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brimfull · 01/09/2006 21:17

oh kitegirl ,I really sympathise.My ds really disliked my mum who comes to visit from Canada.It started when he was about 2ish and it has finally resolved.They have been here twice this summer so 3 weeks in june for their 50th and they then came back to go to italy with us and are still here..aaaargh! Despite the fact that it's hell having guests for so long my mum and ds are finally great buddies.He's 4 next week and I think bribery from my mum worked in the form of sweets and presents and playing midless games .I know it doesn't help you now but just to let ou know it will improve.In the meantime I think your mum should stop forcing the issue ,but it sounds like she's adamant .So sorry you're going through this....2 days to go.

bananaloaf · 01/09/2006 21:23

dont worry ds1 whose 3 has only mat his paternal grandparents twice and ds2 never and they live down south. mil is due up for two weeks next month and i know she will expect cuddles and be a granny but ds1 doesnt understand that. when we speak about granny he say no grandma who is my mother. but there are also times that ds1 wont speak to my mother who he sees loads. your ds1 has had a big change anyway so dont worry

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