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I am engaged in a royal battle of wills with dd2. Help!

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RhondaJean · 19/01/2014 15:22

I've posted before about trying to get her to tidy up after herself. She is 9. Her room is awful, I mean really bad, as in cannot see carpet most of the time, washing lying everywhere mixed in with the toys and books (clean AND the ironed stuff I give her to out away) and she sneaks food such as crisps upstairs sometimes which isn't allowed and there will be crumbs and packets there too.

We have tried all sorts. We have bagged and removed all toys until its been tidied. W have cleaned it with her; my friend has come round and helped her tidy it. There are places for everything to go, and it's relatively easy - toys in the toy boxes, books on the shelf, clothes in the drawers. Dirty clothes in the washing and rubbish in the bin. I don't expect it to be perfect, just that she can find the things she needs for school and after school activities and I can get in to Hoover and dust and change the bed.

The only thing that worked in terms of getting her to do it was when I physically sat on her bed with a book all weekend and supervised her doing it, but I don't have the time to do this every weekend and to be quite honest I am not willing to.

She h now been tidying her room every night after school this week and all weekend except for an hour yesterday when we went to the opticians to collect her new glasses. She's on no tv, her tablet has been removed, and she's having no snacks or food treats. I promised to take her and her sister to KFC for dinner tonight as long as the room is tidy, and she has done nothing in it so far so we will still go but she will not be eating, she can have toast when she comes home.

We have talked about it too; I've explained everyone has to muck in and help in this family (DH and I both work full time and are also busy outside work, she has three activities she does we take her to as well, we like to do things together at the weekend). Her sister is 14 and is responsible for her own room and keeps it well, again not perfect but I don't expect that, and also has some other chores she does.

Dd2 is perfectly capable of doing her room. It would take no more than an hour. She is just completely unwilling to. She sits on the middle of the bed and does nothing. She then comes down and lies (this gets on my nerves too) that she has almost finished.

There are no arguments as such, no flash points, she is just hell bent she will not do it and someone else should sort it for her. Sorry this is an epic post but I am hoping beyond hope someone else will have some ideas (beyond binning all her belongings which I am loathe to do but am seriously considering by now).

It's been going on probably for several years and I am out of patience now I know she knows how to do it and is just "at it".

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sanityawol · 19/01/2014 17:32

DD was like that. I tried all of the approaches, nagging, bribing, etc. She was just happy to live in a complete shit hole... all you could see of her floor was a path from door to bed.

Eventually I stopped. If there was something that she wanted and couldn't find then that was her problem. If she ran out of clean clothes (other than school uniform) because washing hadn't been brought out then tough. If something was trodden on and broken then she was asked what she wanted me to do about it. I just shut the bedroom door so I didn't have to look at it.

And if she wanted a friend to play / stay over then the stock response was " not until your room is tidy".

Last summer (I think) she spent days sorting out her room - and put things away properly rather than shoved them out of sight / piled them around room. The room has been perfectly tidy ever since. The Big Clean was unprompted and was around the time she turned 12. I hadn't said anything for ages, so no idea why it happened but I'm not knocking it.

I have no useful advice, but just wanted to offer some hope. Grin

farmwife · 19/01/2014 17:36

I was an untidy child and unfortunately DD is the same (she's 11). DH is a neat freak so it can lead to an unhappy household at times.

I find that having a specific task ... pick up clothes, tidy one shelf ... works better than telling her to tidy her room.
DD likes to make a list and tick off as she does each task.
We've tried withholding her kindle as an incentive but she's really not bothered.

RhondaJean · 19/01/2014 17:50

She's down saying she's done it and I am about to go have a look, wish me luck. If its half way all right I am going to make a huge fuss and take her to KFC (positive reinforcement!) and we will do the chart from tomorrow.

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HolgerDanske · 19/01/2014 17:52

Sounds brilliant :-)

Chivetalking · 19/01/2014 17:57

Another who mostly used to leave them to it and close the door. That said, it did get the better of me from time to time and I'd go in with a hazmat suit bin bag after a couple of warnings and operate a scorched earth policy.

DC2 had a lightbulb moment at some point in her teens and is much better now. I'm still waiting for the switch to flick where DC3 (18) is concerned but he does have a tidy up and hoover from time to time so we're hopefully getting there.

IamGluezilla · 19/01/2014 22:30

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tiredandsadmum · 19/01/2014 23:17

Just back. Ds can also untidy his room and the rest of the house in 30 mins max. It takes me then ages to clean up and I feel that is all I do - tidy his stuff. He is also very creative and has a whirling inventive mind. He couldn't cope with a list as he cant read (severe dyslexia) and he is, I think, quite disorganised. I take care of all clothes - so take away dirty, clean and iron and put away clean - I feel that is my role as Mum. But I do think he should do his toys, books, cds etc. Punishment vs reward - DS is not affected by either. Just shrugs :( I am interested in the change in early teenagers - you hear of it being the other way around

HolgerDanske · 20/01/2014 06:50

You could make him a picture list Smile

  • might at least give him a rough guideline of what to do each day/week/month, which does make it a lot easier if you're that disorganised type
ThreeBeeOneGee · 20/01/2014 07:18

DD is not a tidy child and her room can get quite bad at times.

After trying many strategies to get her to tidy it, the one that works the best is that I chuck everything that's not put away into a plastic tub. Then every time the tub is full, I set a timer for 5 minutes and she tries to put away as many things from the tub as she can.

Moomoomie · 20/01/2014 09:23

Gluezilla.... That is a bit harsh. Rhonda is concerned for her child and is asking for advice. If you read her posts on this thread you will learn that she sounds a caring, loving mother, not at all toxic.

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lljkk · 20/01/2014 10:03

Well... if stuff is everywhere then there is probably too much stuff so good excuse to get in there & have a cull of stuff she'll never miss.

Otherwise, I am also in the camp of let them live in mess and devise strategies to minimise the impacts this has on you. So perhaps once a week 5 minute clear out of dirty clothes and health hazards, but otherwise let them get on with it.

So far my filthy mingers left-to-it have turned into neat-nicks by their late preteens. On their own initiative with my mental health vastly improved. I do a 20 minute vacuum & sweep, with a small rummage & cull tat & rubbish maybe once every few months.

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