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My seven year old daughter talking about suicide and self harming - has anyone experience of this?

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dalimankill · 16/01/2014 12:32

My seven year old daughter is a bright, intelligent and highly sensitive child. She has always struggled to go to her father's house since we separated four and half years ago. Until Jan 2011 we co-parented until she refused to go to him anymore and started exhibiting distressing behaviours of hitting herself, not eating, and more self-harming types of behavior; she also communicated how she wantied to shoot him with a big fat gun. This culminated in a 11 month court process which concluded with a shared residency whereby she lives with me, my partner and animals the majority of the time and sees dad every other weekend. Since this arrangement began in JAN 2012, getting her to go to dad's has been a struggle; both my partner and I have worked beyond what would be considered normal in supporting her to go and see her father. What is no more than a standard model of every other weekend contact with one mid week tea time contact should not be so difficult, but in our lives it has been a real struggle.

However, in October 2013 she disclosed to me that dad has been hitting her since she was 4 years old mainly around the eyes, head and on her private parts. She also disclosed he swears at her, pushes her and tells her she's F*ing shard work, silly and stupid. After contacting social services and involving child protection, we now have her under a child protection plan on the grounds she has already suffered significant emotional and physical harm, but contact is still happening, as the court to date have refused to agree to varying the court order. In the past three months we have spent many thousands of pounds on the court system, simply in pursuit of getting her voice heard but to no success. She is currently seeing a social worker every two weeks and is still discussing with me how she wants her life to end, and asking me what ways can she do it; she speaks about putting a knife in her eyes, head and private parts and still tells me how she wishes daddy was dead and that she wants to buy a gun and shot him.

Whilst my parnter and I are very well educated and work involves children's research and development, what my daughter is presenting is beyond my parental capacity to deal with. Whilst I do my psuedo- conselling from her bedroom until she recieves the correct professional help, I am looking to best understand what has happened to my daughter to cause her to associate such harmful thoughts of her father with such equally harmful thoughts of harming herself in such a violent and invasive ways.

Can someone please advise me should I be concerned, as I already caustiously am, that sexual abuse may be at the root cause of these disturbing and harmful thoughts. I am waiting for her to be seen by a specialist but as yet I have no idea when this likely to occur due to demands on mental health services for children. She is by nature a very loving, sweet and non - aggressive little girl. Any advice would be enormously helpful, or any suggested reading that exlores the evidence or research on why children hold such violent ideas about self-harming and harming another parent.

Many thanks for reading.

A very, very concerned mummy.

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lifehasafunnywayofhelpinguout · 16/01/2014 13:16

I can't really offer any advice as I have no expertise, but I am quite saddened that this thread has not been replied to yet. However I will admit I did read your thread a few times without replying as I really do not know what to say, but I could not continue to just read and run...
Your poor poor little girl and indeed poor you. I'll admit I am sitting here with tears in my eyes.
So sorry I can't offer any advice but I have a rule I will not offer advice on something I know nothing about. I have to say I am utterly disgusted that the courts are not cooperating with you. Are they aware of the seriousness of what is happening. I really hope someone else will be along soon to offer you some useful advice. Love and hugs. xxx

notnowbernard · 16/01/2014 13:20

With the greatest respect this is not for Mumsnet to advise you on

You need professional advice, legal

PumpkinPie2013 · 17/01/2014 08:58

This sounds like an awful situation Sad your poor dd and poor you!!

Sorry if you've tried the following but these things may help?

Can you get a referral to CAHMS? Either through your GP or the social worker? They may be able to help your dd to talk things through and get to the bottom of why she is having these thoughts.

You mention the court order - I assume you have a solicitor? If so what do they say? Can you try a different one if yours isn't effective? I'm perplexed as to why the court continue to insist on the contact when abuse is happening/suspected! Have they considered supervised contact?

What about your dd's school? What is her behaviour like there? Do they see any differences immediately before/after she visits her father? Maybe speak with the SENCo to see if they can offer help?

I'm concerned, as I'm sure you are, that your dd is still visiting her father and the abuse may still be happening Sad Does your dd mention anything happening? Are there any physical signs?

Were the police involved when the abuse came to light? If not they should be!

Sorry I appreciate this is a long list of questions really but just trying to think of things which may not have been explored.

Can you start with speaking to the GP/school and a solicior?

I wish you and your dd the best of luck xx

dalimankill · 17/01/2014 10:47

Many thanks for your emails and the good advice and best wishes.

To answer your questions. She is currently being referred to CAMHS and her GP and her head teacher are all working together in a very joined up way to support her. They have been marvellous, I just learnt last night from meeting her new long term child protection social worker for the first time that she is coming along to the next court hearing as she is very concerned that the court process is not aligned with the child protection process and is effectively not listening to the child's voice. The court I'm in front of operates a very antiquated and concerning practice; they have a lot to learn about how family law has moved on to protect the wishes and feelings of the child and not the needs and wishes of the parents. The law in my case has been a brutal and traumatising instrument of force and abuse, and when I get through this I do intend on raising the profile by blogging about my experience of this case in order to champion the rights of children in private family law cases. I do thankfully have the right support ( coming soon) from the right people and working around my daughter, what I just don't have at the minute is a court process that is willing to act in her best interests and adapt the court order accordingly.

Sending a child to forced contact is perhaps the most difficult and morally indefensible things a mother can be expected to do; especially when there is evidentially a concern over her welfare and well-being as a direct result of that contact.

Thank you so much for your warm thought and wishes, they mean a lot at such a time.

But can I add to mumsnet I wasn't using this forum to obtain expert advice (legal or otherwise), simply to connect with parents who have/ or have had similar or relevant experiences.

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