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Please help me reverse the misery of dinnertime

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artemisandaphrodite · 04/09/2013 13:53

When I was a child I was never forced to eat things I didn?t like, and never forced to clean my plate either. My parents were totally relaxed about food and as a result, I will now eat almost anything, and find it hard to understand fussy eating.

Fast forward 30 years ... and my DS (8) and DD (6) are incredibly fussy eaters, I get short and irritable about it though I do try and empathise, and dinnertimes are quite frequently just a miserable mess. Around 4pm DS will ask what?s for tea, I?ll tell him (i.e. what I?m making for me and DH, which of course he is welcome to have), and he will just roll his eyes and look crestfallen. Then ask ?What am I going to have?? and I just have to say, ?Well, pasta, I suppose.? It?s more or less the only thing that they?ll eat, but THEY are utterly sick of it too! They are so fed up with cheesy pasta every night, but they still won?t try new things. Honestly, I can?t conceive of a time when they will EVER try, and like, something new. I know it will happen eventually, but the concept is totally alien to me at the moment.

So dinnertime usually consists of the following: either I will make pasta for them; or they will sit at the table looking miserable till I?ve served me and DH, then ask if they can go and make toast, so I have to let them - can?t exactly force them to sit there with empty plates till we?ve finished.

Part of the problem is that I am inconsistent. Sometimes I make them pasta alongside what I?m making for me and DH; at other times, if it?s something time-consuming I?ve made, I will really resent having to get a second meal on the table as well. So I?ll get hissy about it because I?m so fed up with the whole thing, and it is obvious to the kids that I?m cheesed off at having to make a second meal. Or thirdly, they will just make themselves toast. Reading this back it sounds such a horrible situation and I suppose it is. And I?m well aware I?m largely to blame, but still feel: I?ve been chopping and peeling for over an hour; why the hell should I make another meal??

I have tried SO many things over the years. I have tried to get them involved in the cooking process but they?re not interested unless it?s baking cakes. I have tried putting small blobs of different kinds of foods with their pasta on the plate, to let them try them at their own pace (and left them to it, not nagged them!); I have plonked big bowls of each food in the middle of the table for everyone to help themselves ... but they don?t. Nothing works. DD?s overall nutrition I?m not so worried about as she does eat plenty of different kinds of fruit, always has - but DS has whittled down the fruit he eats to, now, nothing. No fruit at all - only orange juice. He used to have apples but they come home every day uneaten in his packed lunch. It feels like I?m goading him to even put one in at all, but what the hell else will he eat? For lunch at school he now has a ham sandwich and water. There?s no point putting in fruit, yogurts, cereal bars, and I?m certainly not going to add crisps or chocolate.

I give them multivitamins every day as a kind of insurance policy, but it?s just not the way I wanted to feed my kids. The only things they truly get enthusiastic about if I tell them what?s for tea, is my homemade pizza, or Mexican (I throw this together with all the dips - make fresh guacamole and salsa etc - and let people help themselves). But in fact, DD?s version of the ?mexican? is simply the plain tortilla filled with grated cheese. So that obviously doesn?t count. DS does, amazingly, go for the fresh guacamole, but it?s not something I can make every bloody day just to get something green into him, and whenever I?ve tried to serve it as part of another dish he says it tastes ?different? and won?t eat it anyway! Oh, and the only other thing they love hearing will be on the menu is roast potatoes. But DP?s version takes over an hour so, again, is not something we can make every day. And anyway, if that?s part of dinner, that?s still the only bit they will eat - they need to be trying the quiche, or the fish, or whatever, that goes WITH the roast potatoes but no, that is their entire meal.

I don?t know how we got into this, I just know I need to go right back to the beginning and start the whole thing again. But I don?t know how. Specifically, I don?t know how to make the hour before dinner more fun and pleasant, when they ask me what?s for tea. After that, it?s all just such a downer as they know it?s another night eating pasta or toast for them. I know I need to be more cheerful but I also don?t want to dismiss the way they feel, either. Any tips would be gratefully received.

(Sorry this was so long and disclaimer: I don't do bribes, threats, punishments, reward charts etc - I know many of you will be scornful of my problem for that reason as you probably feel you could have fixed it by just being "harder" on them; maybe I should have but it's all done now and reprimanding me when I feel awful enough about it myself isn't going to help. Thank you.)

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JuliaScurr · 05/09/2013 14:53

get them to choose from list/suggest
choice of 'eat or don't' isn't a choice
then all of you have that meal
they must eat fruit or veg every day but let them choose which
ime it does work and the list expands
don't turn it into a battle of wills

artemisandaphrodite · 05/09/2013 15:20

Thurlow I'm just not into the whole rewards/punishments hooha. Would rather bring up my kids without them as I think they're nothing but a quick fix. Am a bit of an Alfie-Kohn-ophile Grin

Julia, thanks. How would you do "all of you must have that meal" if it's cheesy pasta, which DP and I really wouldn't want to eat on a regular basis ... and also the "they must eat fruit or veg every day" - HOW??? Honestly, how? DS eats no fruit, so I don't see how I can do that. Sorry to be negative, I just can't see how to change it.

It is already a battle of wills Sad

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RibenaFiend · 05/09/2013 16:11

You're not prepared to try the suggestions because you're already anticipating the result/reaction/fall out. You need to want to do this for yourself and your family.

I'm sorry but I agree with going down the no toast/cereal/ anything else after tea route. You will not starve your children if they choose not to eat a meal.

Regarding confrontation and battle of wills, at 8 and ?6? (Sorry I'm on the app and I can't check) they are children. This "all hell" you refer to just sounds like a older child throwing a tantrum. Food is provided. Eat or choose not to. You wouldn't let a 2year old dictate to you using that behaviour so how is it acceptable with older children?

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pizzaqueen · 05/09/2013 16:31

I agree with some of the other posters here, if you aren't willing to take suggestions on board and actually make some changes then nothing will change. You need the support of your dp too.

honestly it won't hurt your children to miss a meal if they wont eat what you have cooked. they will soon learn to eat the evening meal. Involve them in the planning and cooking and introduce new things gradually, maybe one new item at every meal? e.g put peas in the cheese pasta. once they like something serve it again the following week and add it to the list of meals they like.

Thurlow · 05/09/2013 16:33

Yes, it is a battle of wills, but at the moment your children are winning. The 'how' to get them to eat differently is by you and your DP chosing a way to deal with this and sticking to it.

By all means try and have a clear and honest discussion with your DC about why they need to start eating different foods, and talk to them about ways you can introduce new flavours and textures to them. But without either the withdrawal of the cheesey pasta and toast as a back up plan, or introducing rewards for them if they try new foods, there really is little incentive for them to change in the long term.

There's loads of advice on here about getting your children involved in chosing and making the food, or gradually introducing new things to them, but to win the battle of wills you as parents need to decide on your strategy and stick to it. If you think your DP will give in and give your DC the food they want, then it sounds as though he isn't at the same stage of frustration that you are yet.

fiestabelle · 05/09/2013 16:47

Hi, ds will only eat pasta, chicken nuggets and is very specific, ie needs to be certain shape pasta etc. Dd is a bit better and will try things, but both are very guilty of fussing at dinner and then asking forcereal 20 mins later.It is very stressful, but mostly my fault as i am so inconsistent, ie one night ill let them hav cereal, the next i dont. Food is the one area i struggle with, im fairly consistent with bedtime, manners etc...

realhousewifeoffitzrovia · 05/09/2013 17:21

I have only one DD (now 12) who was a very picky eater from 4 to 9, likely because we did a lot of the things you aren't supposed to do such as make her separate meals and pander to her whims.

When she turned 9, I had had enough (and like you, OP, my husband and I are foodies who eat everything).

So I read the Ellyn Satter book referred to above and started complying with her principle that I decided what to serve, and she got to decide whether to eat and how much of it.

During this time, I altered our meal plan a little because left to my own devices, I would eat four-alarm-hot curries etc. - but I never served her different foods from what we were eating or let her have toast or cereal after supper. There were always bread rolls, potatoes, rice or noodles served with the main dish so there was generally at least one item I knew she would eat.

I found a few other things helpful as well (many of which are mentioned above) but I thought I would pass them along anyway.

  1. I watched cooking shows with her (starting with Jamie Oliver's School Dinner series) which got her more interested in food generally.
  1. Because bread was something she tended to like, I bought and baked (sometimes with her) different flavours of bread, just to expand her palate.
  1. For some reason she was more inclined to try new foods at farmers' markets (they often have samples) so we spent some time browsing those which was fun for me anyway.
  1. Athough I encouraged her to try whatever it was that I served, I always told her that it was her choice whether she wanted to eat something or not (despite the patent manipulation described above!).
  1. She now eats curries, olives, Vietnamese food, blue cheese, even pigs' head . . . but she is not a huge fruit or vegetable lover yet. I think that will come with time.

Also - I totally understand your frustration. It is soul-destroying to have kids deflate your domestic dreams but hang in there!

KissMeHardy · 05/09/2013 23:13

Eat it if you want. Or not. Whatever. And mean it.

These are the wisest words on this whole thread.

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