Immunisations- what to do?

[babyonboard]

just wondering if any of you have had the same situation.
DP mentioned last night that there is no way he'll allow DS to have the mmr, whether combined or single.

I totally disagree, and believe the risks of being exposed to the viruses are far worse than the alleged risk of the vaccine.

But DP won't budge. I have called our health visitor who said she will come over one evening to explain things to him, but I;m not sure that it will make any difference.

So what to do?

Singles would seem to be a good compromise (we're going down the singles route - in our case the roles are different - dh is pro-MMR, I am generally pro-vax but not happy with giving MMR to ds). Why won't he agree to them?

yes our PCT offers singles for £10 each, so we will get those for sure, but DP is dead against it all together.
Basically his mother has put the fear of god into him spouting all kinds of unsubstantiated evidence and research, and I now need to amass a 'counter attack' of evidence For.. lol

he'll be talked round I'm sure..

But on a more general note, I hadn't really thought about what we would do at times when one of us has a very different opinion to the other on big issues.

It got us onto school for example, and DP says he'd much rather DS went to a non uniform school and would go out of the way to take him to one..amazing, we'd never thought about this tuff before!

I think your dp is being very irresponsible both on a personal level with your child and on a societal level. Measles is on the increase due solely to the mmr scare of the 90's. There is now talk of giving the booster not at 4/5 yo but only months after the first one because babies like my 14mo dd are now at risk of catching measles. You can't rely on blanket immunisation when so many parents are choosing not to immunise their children. Babies and children can and do die from measles - around 1 in 500 so not exactly a miniscule number.

The research linking mmr and autism has been repeatedly rubbished and the doctor responsible (forgotten name) is facing diciplinery procedings because of it. Your dp needs to take a long hard look at his reasons for not allowing this.

on the news today they were saying that there is a measles epidemic due to the reluctance in the take up of vaccine. I had s1 done at 18 months rather than 13. i nursed a teenager who died from measles. and it was ablessing imo as they would have been so disabled. Mumps cause infertility in boys if they contract mumps in there teens. German measles can cause blindness in an unborn child.

sorry if it is blunt but these are some of the reasons why vaccines should be given. However i do believe we have the right to choose whether it is in ine vaccine of 3.

Just sneak off and have him done on the sly
He need never know

We have already had the first three injections, the meninitis jab and also an optional one for T.B and he had no concerns so I don't see why he does with this.
He's intelligent enough (i.e wouldn't be taken in by the tripe in 'the sun' etc against it..

I seriously think his mum his hounding him, as she does tend to latch onto any media hyped scare and run and run with it.

i.e she has sent me a map (by email, and twice by post) of mobile phone masts in the south east as she knows we are looking for a new house, she also freaks out if I answer my mobile, or even the cordless landline whilst holding DS.

It really is worthwhile researching fully. There has been a thread on MMR this week, I will see if I can link to it.
Please don't do it without telling your dp, it would be so wrong.

why is he against the single jabs?

\link{http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk?topicid=138&threadid=182124&stamp=060615122435\try this}

TooTixy of course I won't..we have an equal share in all parenting decisions, I will just do all I can to persuade him that what he wants poses more risks that DS having the jabs.

Thats what got me wondering what happens when you reach a point where you both think different things and no one backs down?

He is against even single mmr as it is a live vaccine, admittedly the earlier ones werwen't (though not sure about the T.B one ..hmm..off to google)

thanks for the link..i read a little of it earlier..

Didn't think you would, babyonboard, just worried because somebody suggested it.
Please don't think that anti-vaccination stuff is all hype-based, there are two sides to every story and just because one is reported in the tabloids doesn't mean there is nothing to it. There is a lot of information which is not made nearly as easily accessible as the pro-vax stuff. I am anti-vax, have thought seriously about it, read loads, and am happy with my position. The autism link is a very real concern and there are other dangers involved in vaccination too. There are some very useful links on the thread I linked to just now.

There are a couple of threads running about this with a huge amount of information and evidence.

\link{http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk?topicid=138&threadid=182124&stamp=060615122435\health thread}
\link{http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk?topicid=1372&threadid=181866&stamp=060612145544\in the news thread}

There are a lot of links between the 2 threads to various research articles. Hope these are helpful.

There are far more things to be considered rather than just MMR causes Autism as these 2 threads may show - there are links between vaccinations and Autism/Global developmental delay and other illness. There are ladies on the SN threads that have children that have been vaccine damaged by the MMR. The establishment accept and will acknowledge that people - children and adults - do get damaged by vaccination and it is an acceptable cost because all they are considering is the global situation i.e. WHO. Whether something will cause a very small minority to be physically and mentally disabled for their rest of their lives doesn't matter at all.
The policy makers are not the ones having to care for the victims 24/7 for the rest of their lives.

Yikes sorry thread has moved on and the health thread has already been linked too

No worries..I've already done some thread searching detective work! lol

Can't find if the tb jab is live though..does nyone know?

You make really fair points though, I am very very mistrustful of the WHO , and the drug companies that fund evidence that proovs we need this this and this drug/vaccine etc..but to go into that would take a whole new thread!

and i can't help but think we are perhaps over immunised, and remembering such things as measles and chicken pox parties when I was mall, where all the mums would get the tots together in the hope they'd catch it and get it over and done with (and have other mums to go through it at th sme time with!)..and we are all fine! lol

My two had the mmr when they were 22 mths as ds1 had been quite sickly under 12 mths and I felt he wasn't ready at 12 mths to have it. The nurse at our surgery agreed with me. And I then did the same for ds2. I don't know if there is anything in it, but if they are a bit bigger and stronger with a more developed immune system, maybe the vaccinations are less likely to have bad side effects?

\link{http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/5081286.stm\story from Woman's Hour - UK "in grip of measles outbreak}

Why are you mistrustful of the WHO, babyonboard? Just wondering if there's something I should know about!

I've heard about chickenpox parties - DH even hosted one lol! but I'm surprised to hear about measles parties. My mum talks about how I had measles and was incredibly ill. This despite having been immunised. When she asked the dr how I could be so ill despite the jab, he told her to be grateful that I had had it, coz otherwise I'd be even worse. She was shocked because she didn't see how I could be any worse. It is a scary scary disease - I think people are forgetting just how bad it is. Definitely not to be talked about in the same way as chickenpox.

Don't know where you live but around here (Surrey/Sussex) they are talking of a huge surge in cases of measles. We had a note home via school from Health Authority last week and it was on the lunchtime news today. \link{http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/5084698.stm\report here}

I assumed that if you have a vaccine it means you won't ever catch the illness. the I discovered that it doesn't, all the vaccination does is allows your body to develop the antibodies to fight the diseas if you do catch it in a controlled way, but it doesn't ever stop you catching the disease or prevent it from being serious.

The reason kids get 3 sets of jabs, the baby ones, is to increase their 'protection' to about 70%.

It seems to me to be utter madness not to protect ones child against the very real threat of measles because of the miniscule possiblity of side-effects. WHO are absolutely correct to advise mass vaccination - we are without many killer diseases due to mass vaccination. It is deeply irresponsible not to have the mmr and then to rely on the blanket vaccination of other children to prevent your own child getting measles.

I am keeping off I am.

My brothers had to be hospitalised because of measles (my mother had 3 of us suffering at the same time, and it was very scary). I've just had my 13mth dd2 vaccinated by the MMR jab. Actually, I rather agree with Callisto - I'm quite a fan of herd vaccinations - this despite doing a huge amount of research re-single jabs for dd1. I think we've all got a social responsibility - to protect other children as well as our own. Undermining this vaccination programme brings more disadvantages than advantages.