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Parents with children who live abroad

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lugaw · 27/06/2013 16:30

Just wondering if there are other parents on here whose children live abroad?
I have 3, adult children, one lives locally but the other 2 have chased their dreams and now live at opposite ends of the world. But although technology these days is a great way of keeping intouch, I still miss them dearly...Anyone out there with the same?

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TheBirdsFellDownToDingADong · 27/06/2013 16:32

My Mum has me abroad. Smile

I think it is far easier in this day and age...thinking back to when I first went abroad in 1986 and we had to exchange letters, and the odd phonecall from a phone box, that often didn't work. Now, Skype, FB, emails.....I speak to, and hear from my Mum far more often now than I did when I worked in Liverpool for example.

lugaw · 27/06/2013 18:38

Thanks for your reply...my daughter lives in the philippines and son in canada, we visited out daughter last year..and will be seeing son next summer as he's getting married over there...I do get confused witht thime difference though, 1 is 7 hrs ahead and the other 7 hrs behind...lol
Visiting can very VERY expensive..where are you Thebirdsfelldown??

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TheBirdsFellDownToDingADong · 27/06/2013 20:04

I am only in Italy, so to be honest, and with good old Ryanair, a lot closer than your children are.

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lugaw · 27/06/2013 23:07

Nice, do you get to visit home much? Or get visits from home?

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Karon99 · 18/09/2013 10:12

I understand exactly how you feel. I live in Australia, my daughter lived in London for 18 months and she has lived in USA for 3 1/2 years. She is nearly 30 years old, has a great job and now has an American boyfriend. I have only seen her 3 times during the time she has been in USA, amounting to just over 2 weeks and she has only been home once. Emails, Skype, Facebook etc are great, but they just don't replace spending time together. I don't think anyone else really understands what this is like except mothers who are experiencing similar situations. I miss her every day and just wish we could spend more time together.

froken · 18/09/2013 20:30

I am a daughter abroard, my brother also lives abroard. My poor mum :(

I know she is really happy that we have lovely lives in interesting places but I think that it is hard when we have been visiting and then go home.

I have recently had my first dc and I miss my mum more than ever :(

I go home a couple of times a year and my mum visits me once a year (and d-bro once a year) I am looking forward to Christmas when we wil all be at home at the same time.

I am terrified that my (8 month old) ds will want to move away, you must have such conflicting feelings. My mum jokes that she always wanted to give us the confidence to go out and follow our dreams but maybe she gave us a little too much confidence!

piggybank · 19/09/2013 11:23

I moved to the UK and left my family. I miss them so much. I used to visit frequently but now with two children not only are the flights expensive, we don't fit into any of our family's houses and will have to rent some where to stay. That makes it prohibitively expensive :-(

alwaysamom · 02/09/2018 01:52

My daughter has lived in the UK for almost 2 years. She is marrying a seemingly nice Brit next week. She informed me she will not be moving back to the US in the foreseeable future. She loves her job and has accomplished so much. I am very proud of her , but never thought she would decide to live there for a very long time. I am struggling and want some help with this. What have you done to deal with this sort of thing? My son and his sweet wife and grandson live in another state, but I am able to see them a couple times a year I skype with my grandson every week and it makes a big difference. When I skype with my daughter, it helps, but I know I won't see her for a very long time. Any good ideas out there?

Ozzieabroad · 27/11/2022 08:20

Yes, this is an extremely difficult situation, with a type of background grieving which never fully dissipates, no matter how full and busy and fulfilling and happy your own life and career might be. Know of many empty-nesters in this situation.

it’s the loss of the future we all probably imagined - perhaps without even being consciously aware of it - that we might have with our adult children and possible grandchildren, as we head towards retirement.

it auddenly becomes crystal clear when the empty nest begins and menopause sets in, that we are now in theory superfluous to society, so to feel abandoned by one’s children, when we have spent 20 years of our lives doing everything for them, just makes it much worse - it’s almost like waking up from a long 20-year dream where our entire identity was tied up with being a parent and somehow we subconsciously thought (or acted as if) we would be forever parents of young children - we will pay lip service to the obvious fact that they will grow up and leave home, but we don’t really believe it until it happens. It almost seems there’s some sort of hormonal effect, for both men and women, that puts us in this 20-year daze while raising children - probably this has had evolutionary advantages.

it doesn’t help to be told to just be happy for your children and do lots of fun things with your own life, and particularly not make them feel guilty - one feels one can never really express one’s true feelings any more.

Of course we can be happy with our own lives, but it’s not the same as people who’ve never had children (which is probably why that demographic overall is happier!) - when you actually have had children, and particularly when you have grandchildren, you feel you should be/want to be part of their everyday lives in real life.

This strong drive to be part of our grandchildren’s lives is probably also evolutionary in origin - after all, it’s thought that the reason humans live so long beyond their reproductive years, is because of the strong evolutionary advantages provided by our involvement with our grandchildren.

Now this strong drive is being thwarted by modern lifestyles involving adult children moving across the world permanently.

In ancient history, yes, humans were constantly migrating huge distances, but it was the whole tribe that migrated together, the stronger and younger tribe members helping the elders and toddlers to move with them.

To have younger people say technology fixes all of the problems of distance is not correct - it’s just not the same as actual day to day presence and being able to attend any social or sporting events at a moments notice, have spontaneous family meals, and even just dropping in.

it’s particularly difficult when dealing with defensive DILs, who are very possessive of your son and want them to virtually become a different person and leave behind their family and culture completely, and who would regard the slightest comment about their own country not being the best at absolutely everything, as an unforgivable attack.

When it gets so extreme (and your son has also become so defensive) that you can’t even talk about anything that happens in your own country or that shows your own culture in a favourable light, and that all that sort of news is completely ignored as if it’s a complete no-no - then it’s really shocking.

To have the feeling that your DIL (or SIL, as in one case I know) wouldn’t have the slightest care in the world - or would even be happy - if their in-laws suddenly died and they and their children would never have to see them again - that’s a terrible feeling.

Then of course there’s the huge expense of travel and accomodation to see them and be near them for any length of time - and the dread of a future where that travel won’t be possible due to financial or health reasons.

Even worse when the other parents-in-law live near your expat child, have a house with everything and unlimited financial resources, pay for (and require attendance at) frequent family holidays - so it’s impossible to compete with that, not only from a distance but also with the huge expense of travel.

There’s the feeling that the in-laws are actually buying your adult child - and that’s mixed with a bit of anger that your child is allowing themselves to be bought, and with an inability to hint at such a feeling because it will be interpreted as churlish.

Our adult children, of course, are in that 20-year dream state of being parents, that they think will never end, and they can’t even imagine that they themselves will be empty nesters and their own children might do the same thing to them as they have done to their own parents. They don’t think it could happen to them! So they’re not even understanding that the way their children see them treating their own parents, is exactly what they are modelling for their own children to behave as adults.

And that hasn't even touched the tip of the iceberg - because it’s other family members who are missing out as well - adult children are already quite disengaged from our parents, their elderly grandparents (who have been so wonderful to them when they were children), even when living nearby - this is SO much worse when they are living overseas, and incredibly unfair on your elderly parents who deserve so much better at such a late stage in life.

Cocoet · 16/03/2023 10:07

Just joined looking for support and advice about how I'm feeling around missing my daughter and granddaughter in Australia and found the above thread. I'm so reassured to find that I'm not alone with these unexpected and frankly scary feelings I'm having so am very grateful for whoever you are - thank you.
So a little about my situation-my daughter moved to Australia 10 years ago (she has dual nationality through her Dad) and has been happy and settled. She has had a great life, amazing jobs and friends (a few of her UK friends followed her there) and though I've struggled over the years and missed her terribly, I'm so happy she is happy after a difficult time in our family before she left. We've Skyped and spoken, messaged and emailed and seen each other on her frequent trips back and mine twice there.
She met an English man there a few years ago and I knew it was serious when she said they were talking babies. In June last year they came to the UK and said they were pregnant which was amazing! She asked me to go over for the birth and first month which I did in January just gone. I had a wonderful time and holiday, couldn't have gone any better until I returned and I have been slowly becoming more and more despondent and unhappy. In all the years since she left, I've got used to and accepted the situation-that she is not coming back ever. I get why-Sydney is a fab place to live but my heart is breaking because of my granddaughter and the bond we formed. I feel bereft and miss her and my daughter so much and can do nothing about it. It was so helpful to see the above post about why grandparents live so long, to form that bond with their grandchildren along with the parents to ensure their survival. These are natural feelings and we are supposed to have them!
My daughter asked me if I would consider moving there now and I said no (I have other children and other reasons) but I was tempted. They are coming over for Christmas and my gd will be one so I'm missing all the important first year milestones except on video. The Mum of my daughter's boyfriend feels the same as me so we are supporting each other. I'm back on antidepressants (taken them on and off for trauma) and have a supportive partner but do not know what else to do. I think my daughter was surprised at how she felt after giving birth with renewing our mother-daughter bond and we are closely in touch.
To all parents and grandparents out there going through pain because of any kind of absence, my heart goes out to you.

solosaja · 01/10/2023 14:10

I feel for you all, I live in France,I have three children and two grand children in the Uk which is not a problem. however, my son has just moved to Canada. just before covid he had moved to New Zealand and due to lock downs didn't manage to get out for some time. He then came back to Europe for a little while but his dream was always to work in Canada. I dont have the money to see him and I dont have many calls from him,it is so so hard, isnt it? He has always wanted to make Canada his home.

bookshandpicked · 29/01/2024 07:34

Hi ozzieabroad

Recently read your post from 2022 about your son moving permanently abroad...your post said everything I feel about my son moving to LA. I just wondered how things were now and if anything had changed 2 years on?

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