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HELP - Crying baby - we're reaching the end of our teather. Need some help.

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Wills · 01/06/2006 18:54

Wouldn't mind but he's our third!. ds1 was born 10 days ago and has steadily increased his crying sessions each day. I've been breast feeding him so far but am fighting a loosing battle with bf thrush. I had bf thrush for 10 months with dd2 and since my milk supply never completely dried up I was suspicious that it would be a problem and have therefore been on fluconazole + daktarin gel and creams since he was less than 24 hours. Given how much pain I'm in and how the blasted thrush seems to have increased even the m/ws have suggested I move to the bottle. So with an incredibly heavy heart he had his first bottle of formula last night. He's spent most of today crying!!!!! If he hears my voice he goes from being contented to demanding to being picked up by me which would be fine if it ended there but he wants my nipple and nothing else. He very distinctly finishes a feed and then will be playful for a good 10 minutes, its when he gets tired or when he needs his nappy changed. He gets upset and then wont settle unless via breast. Given how painful those areas are I'm reluctant to use that as a form of soothing him - also given that the thrush is not clearing and that I'm facing moving across to formula its not really a long term solution. Don't say dummy - too many memories of desperately spending 6 months holding the damn thing into dd1's mouth as she would wake up EVERY time it dropped out - again I don't see how that can be a long term solution.

So why's he crying. Could it be the thrush (its now all the way through his poor gut (he's got sores on his bottom - a classic sign of thrush)). Is he a "crying baby"? Has he got colic? Is he simply only now starting to find this world difficult?

Am very very tearful, very tired, am missing spending time with my two girls and would like some nice sensible advice pleeease. That or soothing words.

Am about to go on a 2 hour drive so will be off line - at least he'll sleep through that (well so far he has anyway).

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liath · 01/06/2006 19:31

Poor you Sad.

Could you offer a finger to suck rather than the "D" word?

There's great book on colic by a Dr Karp called baby bliss which advises trying to remind baby of being back in the womb to calm crying - swaddle, shush (white noise), swing, suck (IIRC), it was a lifesaver with dd.

Have been there with the thrush & it's hard to think obejctively when you are exhausted - I don't usually do hugs but am sending some.

compo · 01/06/2006 19:38

So sorry to hear you're going through such a tough time of it. I know you say you don't want to but using a dummy on this baby could be completely different from how it worked out last time. Have you tried carrying him around in a sling or using an automatic swing to settle him maybe? Other than that long walks in the fresh air taking your 2 dds to the park might help keep you sane... hopefully the weather will improve soon to cheer you up!!

CADS · 01/06/2006 19:45

My heart goes out to you, I hope he settles down soon. It could be the thrush, have heard it can make babies really miserable but don't know how it gets treated.

We put the vacumm cleaner on when dd is being hard to settle. I remember the first 8 wks it was on practically all day. It helps her shut out the rest of the world. Give it a try, you never know.

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calebsmum · 01/06/2006 21:19

Sorry your having a hard time of it, my friends little boy had horrid thrush as well and it really upset him. Can give them stomach ache and sore bums, plus he wants the boob so it's no wonder he's a little out of sorts! I agree with carrying him round in a sling, it worked brillantly for my (very fretful) ds. Otherwise give it a few weeks for the thrush to clear and boob withdrawal and he'll hopefully be ok.

morocco · 01/06/2006 21:28

what does he have for the thrush? I vaguely remember reading that it is possible to have systemic thrush so that it is in your stomach as well - I guess that would make a baby cry!
(((((You poor thing))))

morocco · 01/06/2006 21:31

gosh - just googled that and it's not that at all - sorry if that worried you!!

azroc · 01/06/2006 21:36

Try www.betterbabysling.co.uk
Really great for carrying around little ones who just need to be close. Helps them sleep and feel safe. Good luck - I know that desperate tired stage feels like it will never end, but it will and you're doing great!!

Olihan · 01/06/2006 21:39

What about one of those womb sound bears from Prince Lionheart? Kiddicare, Bloming Marvellous and Jojo maman bebe do them. My dd really settled with one of them, especially if she was swaddled quite tightly too. Really hope you find something to help.

Alipiggie · 01/06/2006 21:46

If you are allowed to do baby massage on a newborn then I would highly recommend it. Worked at soothing my ds2. Sorry to hear that you are having such a hard time.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 01/06/2006 21:46

Has he been prescribed Nystatin? If you are having treatment then so should he, otherwise it will never clear up.

At the moment, i would say choose the path of least resistance. He is too young to develop habits or be playful. He just wants to be snug and warm against a smell that is familiar to him.

Some babies just do cry more than others. I had a long struggle coming to terms with this when my DS was born who cried right from birth and didnt really ease up until he was much much older. My DD was nothing like that so it was very much a shock.

Give him what he wants, it will be far less stressful in the long term.

I really feel for you.

xxx

WestCountryLass · 01/06/2006 22:08

Have you tried saddling him?

I know my DS needed lots of contact and swaddling and a dummy...

Marne · 01/06/2006 22:10

My dd had thrush at this age and it made her very grumpy, have you got anything to treat it with?
It gave my dd a bad stomach and we ended up in a&e as we found blood in her nappie, dr gave her some gel and it cleared it up in 2 days.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 01/06/2006 22:49

Shock Saddling WCL?

Wink
WestCountryLass · 01/06/2006 23:07

Well that would teach him, crying all night, well stick a saddle on him and get the other kids to ride him across the lounge - yeehah!

Saddling = swaddling Wink

Chuffed · 02/06/2006 10:00

Hugs Wills. Sounds like my ds exept for the thrush, just always wanted to be upright and cuddling, if he went to sleep he would wake up within minutes screaming. We put up with this for almost 2mths going silently crazy and then had 'silent' reflux diagnosed which is like baby heartburn without the sicking. Baby gaviscon and he was a different child. Also swear by the battery powered swing, if you can get one second hand they are great for the making dinner time too as they are upright and watching but away from the other kids.
Hope this passes soon.

Wills · 02/06/2006 10:37

OK, have tried the shushing as the hoover the other day did appear to work. What really seems to make him content though is the sound of his two sisters nattering - but can't really get them up at 2.00 am Grin. The shushing does work but when I stop he wakes up. Swaddling also works as long as absolutely none of the sheet/blanket goes anywhere near his mouth as then he assumes it a tit and gets blooming frustrated trying to suck it!

Am giving him Daktarin gel as its supposed to be better than nystatin. Nothing works though.

Love the saddling!

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christie1 · 03/06/2006 04:13

Sounds like colic and it is pure hell. I have to say the vacuum cleaner was a god send. It really worked, any loud droning white noise like fans. We used to set up the vacuum cleaner beside the bed while I held the baby and read until she settled. Didn't work 100%, but it did work 70% of the time which was a help. At around 3 months, liek they say, it stopped. It kicked in around 6 weeks and from about 6-9 the baby just cried while dh and I did this crazy rocking, vacuuming pacing singing routine then baby slept. (Ok I did most of the above but he remembers it like he did it right there with me. I recall him watching old espisodes of "are you being served". It it really hard for you. Spell each other off. Take off with the 2 girls and let dh deal with baby. They actually won't remember all the crying and will be fine in a month or so. (I know that sound like forever). If you have someone who can come and help during what we used to call fussy time, use them.

Cadmum · 03/06/2006 05:17

Wills: You have my heartfelt sympathy. Parenting your daughters while trying to cope with a crying newborn is challenging enough without the added misery of being sore.

Well done for persevering with the breast feeding up to now. I thought I would pass on a link to the LLL recomendations for treating and coping with thrush on the off chance that it contains some treatment or coping measure that could help. \link{http://www.lalecheleague.org/FAQ/thrush.html\coping with trush}
I hope your drive went well and that the baby slept...

threebob · 03/06/2006 07:12

Tape your little girls talking on a really long tape, and play it over again to calm him. if you can do a fancy MPEG version then you can just pop it on a loop.

It will make a really great memento anyway - except the tape will stretch.

Wills · 03/06/2006 15:16

God! dh has taken the girls to see his mum (decided not to go cos thought I'd grab some sleep whilst they weren't around). ds has just drifted off having screamed on and off for approximately 3 hours. Am totally wasted and really scared about the hell I'm to do come Monday. On Monday dh goes back to work. ds just wont settle on me unless he's got my nipple in his mouth. I've just spent 3 hours trying everything from shushing, bunging in pram and walking, the hoover, the washing machine (couldn't do car cos dh's got that). My concern is that come Monday I'll have a 2 year old that will also find the whole thing stressful. Everything I've read says you can't leave a newborn to cry as they get super duper stress - but what do I do with the 2 year old who will also get super duper stressed? Why are these articles always written from the perspective of only having one child!

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Wills · 03/06/2006 21:32

If anyone's still around. Am now reasonably confident its not colic. He gets to the end of the feed and is really quite happy and wants to play. Then after about 20 to 40 minutes of cooing and playing he obviously gets tired and then all hell brakes loose. He's done this routine 3 times today. Dh is currently upstairs trying desperately to keep him asleep. Giving him a nipple to get him off to sleep doesn't work either so even should I want to give in its not going to work because 2 minutes after disengagement guess what - oh yes he wants it back in. Maybe a dummy is the only answer after all just got to work out how to keep it in.

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soapbox · 03/06/2006 21:38

Wills - does he cry whether or not he is being cuddled by you? If you pick him up and cuddle him does he stop?

I wouldn't rule out reflux tbh - the timing after the feeds and the regularity of it makes it sound a good possibility. It is extremely painful for them and is worse if they are lying down than if they are upright.

I'd definitely speak to you doctors to see whether they think that is likely to be the problem as it is treatable with anti-reflux drugs.

I think a baby this young is crying because he is uncomfortable and needs comfort not because he is being difficult or just unsettled!

Good luck - I hope you get it sorted out - you must be feeling like poo at the moment:(:(:(

Chloe55 · 03/06/2006 21:40

I had a similar problem with ds and in the end I introduced a dummy. He will, however, only take on particular type of dummy and spits the others out. So, if you do decide to go down this route then get a few different types as he may prefer one over another. Hope you can get a bit of kip Smile

WestCountryLass · 03/06/2006 21:41

(((hugs)))

If it is colic, have you tried Infacol (can he have that now?) and that other one thats an enzyme (that cost a tenner

Hope this might help:

hcd2.bupa.co.uk/fact_sheets/Mosby_factsheets/infant_colic.html

WestCountryLass · 03/06/2006 21:43

Sorry about my previous post then. I agree with Soapbox about the possibility of reflux.

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