Nothing I ever do with/for my dc's is ever good enough (little melodramatic there)

[SilveryMoon]

They are so frustrating! (light-hearted)
An example, I asked them this morning what they wanted to do, they said nothing. I said we could go to a big park, with a big slide and a sand pit etc. Ds1 (5yo) said he didn't want to go to a new park, he wanted to go to the park near our house (really rubbish one that we go to all the time and that he complains in that he is bored).
I told him that going to a new park would be fun. He cried and screamed, stamping his feet and all that shit.
In the end, we went to a park near us, but not the one either of us had in mind.

We have stuff like this happen all the time. Every time I say something, before I have a chance to fully reply (like "no, you can't have anything to eat..............but I have ice-cream for after dinner") the pair of them will stamp their feet and whinge and scream and it's driving me bonkers.

I don't ever remember being like that to my parents, don't think I'd have dared.
I'm not saying I want to install fear into my children, but I really don't know how to handle it all sometimes.
They shout, they argue, they talk back, the younger one constantly whines (but he gets that tone of voice from his dad)
Ggggggrrrrrrrrrrr

I know this is a phase, and I'll miss it etc but need to just get it off my chest.
What the hell am I doing wrong?

Yeah, I put them in the 'thinking corner' or send them to their room for whinging for what I think is 'no reason' iyswim.
My problem, is that I'm an over-thinker. I try to understand their view-points and so on. I always try to talk through situations when they are showing signs of inability to cope.
Dp takes the more impatient route and they are so well behaved with him. I like to acknowledge their feelings and try not to discount that.
I'm probably not making much sense because I've had a few

My mum said to me "if you want appreciation and devotion - get a dog- if not have children"- since becoming a mum myself I'm starting to think she's right.

My mum was baffled when at some flashpoints I talked to my toddler DS - "Just tell him!" Long term I wanted him to know why I wanted him to do X or not Y. I agree you sometimes get better results directing DCs. Who as a parent never felt tempted to yell back "Because I say so!"

Before they kick off why not remind them now and again "Let's say what we want to do and if we don't fancy it, what can we do that's nice for all of us instead?" Emphasis being on talking (not whining).

The only fear DCs should have is of losing privileges, playtime, off to bed early. Stickers and reward charts, if necessary. One per DC so they can compete. You know the clicker thing dog trainers use to teach animals, instead of a clicker repeat as necessary: "What did we say about whining/talking back/ignoring?"

Be consistent. New rule, no backchat, no whinging. Get DP to take the same line so one parent doesn't undermine the other to win points as "the cool" parent.

Pick your battles, find a calm non-shouty voice of authority. When there's no urgency allow some leeway, be sure and take turns, allocate some power but step in if siblings can't agree.

Thanks.
I will restrict choices from now and try to be more consistent with the rules.
This parenting stuff can be so frustrating!

Tbh when you added 'Light hearted' I thought you are doing all right if you can still laugh about it. And if we get grandchildren later we'll have half the energy but all the answers ha ha!

I didn't laugh about it when they were moaning in the park! We could have stayed home for all that.
But yes, it's not all bad, we'll get there, these phases come and go don't they?
I have also re-introduced 'special time'. They get 10 minutes each of complete 100% focused time with me a day. 1:1. I know that doesn't sound like much, but it's time that we have agreed there is no shouting, no whinging, no being unkind and it's time for fun where we can do whatever they want to in that 10 minutes without fear of interuption. Today me and ds1 played catch. For 10 minutes. Was lovely.

I am rehearsing "mummy doesn't speak whine" for when DD is verbal!

Viking When mine were very small, I was sure that I would not stand for whinning and that I was going to be calm, understanding and my children would never have cause to whinge, tantrum and scream/shout.
I was incredibly deluded!
I have been known to say "whatever you want, you can have, just stop making that noise"
It's not all bad, I'm just good at complaining, and I suppose they are doing the child equivalent.

Oh SilveryMoon I know it won't actually work! But having a plan until it all falls apart makes me feel better!

Can you tell DD isn't speaking yet?

Viking You know what they say, "Man plans, God laughs" I think "Mums plan, kids kick-off"