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huge moral dilemma re asking father of baby to leave us be, even though he was aggressive to me

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missperelman · 27/01/2013 20:25

hello , is it ok if i ask some advice? i am a single parent with an 11 month old daughter. her father and i were very, very in love, then when i fell pregnant, all hell broke loose and he aggressively rejected me from 3 mos pregnant - screaming and shouting about suicide and killing us all - until the end when he pretended to come round, but then told me he had been pretending as he thought that that is what i'd want to show my mum who was visiting. he has 3 daughters from when he was in his early 20s. he is mid 40s now. i am 37. two of his daughters were aggressive to me, one of them posted 2 separate death threats while i was 5 months pregnant, and sent a number of other threatening messages. i was blamed for ruining a family, even though my baby's father had split from their mother 5 years before i even met him. our baby wasn't planned, but neither was she unplanned. we talked about it and wondered about it, and were never careful with contraception. but it wasn't a trick, i always said i had no contraception and that we should be careful but i still got blamed for tricking him. i think i still am blamed. anyway, so many horrible things happened including me ending up in a & e twice while pregnant, with panic attacks. i still suffer from extreme anxiety and haven't been able to work for 2 years. i have been brought quite low really although make a lovely, stimulating calm life for my daughter. i am just a bit humiliated that i am on benefits but don't intend to be for much longer.
when my baby was born, they all descended on me, and kept trying to take the baby. i still received angry behaviour from the one daughter, and ambivalent behaviour from the others, and from the mother (of my ex-partner). they also always made barbed comments about my breastfeeding and bout how i was bringing the baby up (naturally, calmly and quietly!). i moved away - but not far enough - and since the baby was 3 months old, i haven't been able to allow him to take the baby. i am breastfeeding on demand so it is physically impossible anyway. but also i don't trust them all. he tries to be nice but doesn't officially support me at all. just leaves some money in my tin and buys flashy presents. he is very emotional about the baby, and kind to her and i don't doubt that he loves her; but love, unfortunately for him, is merely an abstraction, isn't it, without genuine support. we don't really speak on his weekly visits. we just pretend to be ok. i know he can't like me for keeping the baby from his family. but, not only for the behaviour they displayed during my pregnancy, i really really don't want my baby influenced by them. they are covered in tattoos, smoke, act aggressively, always seem to be in fights etc. awful, objectively, not just because i think so. everyone does. he didn't really bring them up, it turns out, the 'nanny', his mother, did. so that is where the problem lays. jealousy that my daughter would have a proper father. so he is not offering anything really. he doesn't want to set up home with us, he has never said 'let's try it again', or anything. but he expects to see her a lot. i have managed to get it down to a few hours a week. even this is too much for me. i shake on the hours running up to the visit. i want to scream at him all the time but just bite my tongue. the baby seems a bit confused as to who he is, and she definitely picks up on my anxiety. i would never shout in front of the baby; or at all. i now have no patience with him, no time for him. i cannot bear the thought of him taking the baby away even for an hour, to see his mum, who is now housebound. and ill. largely because the death-threat daughter now lives there. she's never been without me and would scream in confusion. but also because she herself - the grandmother - totally ignored me on the day of the birth, and took the baby from me. i just lay on the bed crying while they were all shouting around me.
my question is: i feel guilty enough keeping the baby from them (his younger daughter is actually ok, and rather confused as to why she doesn't get to see their half sister) even though they ignored and/or were hostile to me. he now apologises all the time. but i can't let some of them see her as the others who i fear, will insist on seeing her too. they are all very tribal and very very insular. i am a private person who wants to maintain absolute calm for my daughter, in a very tough area, with very little money, but now i would like to ask him to leave us get on. i just can't focus properly when so anxious. i have written him a letter and edited it so many times. it is in my bag ready to post but i keep stalling. if i could just get on, i would feel better. but i fear my daughter will one day turn against me for this decision to cut her father out. i also fear a terrible response from his side. i have already changed a phone number i had for 20 years to get away from their texts. i think of myself as quite brave, but to be honest, they scare me. but to say that to him about his tribe of children, would kill him. he thinks they are elegant princesses. should i ask him to leave us get on and say the baby can visit him when she's of age? very very worried i am doing the wrong thing but i just feel so hurt still but also so completely certain they will only hinder my child. x thankyou x

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NatzCNLS · 27/01/2013 20:35

Im so sorry to hear what you have been through with your ex and his family. You should never fear for your safety or your childs from anyone be it your ex or his other relatives. I would speak to a support charity, or the Citizen Advice to see where you stand legally with regards to visitation.
A friend of mine had a very physically abusive husband who left her when pregnant and she had to go through visitation with this man. In the end they agreed on him visiting his son at her mothers house with her mother present. That all stopped when he threatened her mum. He has not seen his son in 3 years and has only ever attempted to see him twice in that time.
She reported him to the police as he made death threats as did some of his family. They got warnings but it was enough to get them to back off. If you feel truely threatened I would inform the police. If you have evidence of these threats you have proof and this will make for a much stronger case in your favour with regards to contact.

Good luck, stay strong, and remember that you and your daughter and the most important people in this, you do what will protect you both and ensure a safe and happy life for you both x

missperelman · 27/01/2013 21:14

thankyou. there is no obvious APPARENT threat at all anymore and he is being sickly sweet. he is broken hearted for what he did. i certainly don't trust his daughters though. or him really. but they wouldn't hurt me. at least, i think they wouldn't. maybe i am naive now. they just make me feel ill. it is a major culture clash. they think that reacting in a tough way is the way to keep face. i just find them embarrassing and cringe making and also dangerous in a way that i think there may be an accident driven by their subconscience, around the baby. she would come back hurt, or having been given a mcdonalds or something, and her stomach ruined. so, in a way, by being alone, although lonely, i am now in the stronger position. but i do feel so anxious that they will just all start screaming and shouting when i send this letter. he will say he has tried everything to apologise and that he would never ever hurt the baby etc. but he can't see that an anxious mother is not fair for the child. i just want to be able to hold my head up high and say, i know you are apologising, i know you all made mistakes, i know you react differently to me, but what happened in pregnancy is enough to make me sure i want to be alone and i don't even have 3 hours a week for you. is that selfish? the 3 hours seems like an eternity.

i know in my heart this is ok, but trying to be a nice person, and feeling brokenhearted on his behalf for losing contact with a child, keeps holding me back. i just need someone to say it is definitely ok to say goodbye. having no one to bounce it off is driving me mad. my doctor has sent me to therapy, which helps, but it is cbt and so, no advice can be given. my friends have disappeared or have major problems like divorce and or infertility going on. i don't want supervised visits. it is worse for us all. my daughter should be free, not trapped in a room with someone who i don't trust, and who happens technically to be her 'father'. and she only needs me, i believe, at least until she is about 10 or 11. hopefully beyond that age too. i have the love and emotional intelligence of 1000 parents in me, because i have had to up the ante of care so much.

thankyou

L

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NatzCNLS · 27/01/2013 21:35

Only you can say for certain if you are doing the right thing. You know him and his family, I do not. I do however know people who for one reason or another have been separated from a parent. And they have their own reactions because every situation is unique. My mum was not separated from her father and she had an awful childhood with him, he died 8 years ago and even today their history affects her life. It has made her a stronger person for sure, but it caused her a life time of hurt. She always says she wished she'd never known him. My friends little boy does not know his dad, and he is such a happy little lad. He will have questions for his mum as he grows older and she will give him answers.

If you think your daughter and your ex can have a happy relationship then you need to be brave and keep up the visits. Your ex has rights as her father so before you send the letter and try to sever their contact, look into it. If it goes through the courts, he could get granted overnight weekend contact which would mean you being legally unable to deny him this. If he is happy to continue with his 3 hours a week with you present, without this going through the courts, this may work better in your favour if you are not comfortable leaving your daughter in his care.

I have no doubt that you are more than capable of providing everything your daughter will ever need with regards to a parents love. But the letter of the law will always favour the child having a relationship with both parents if there is no threat of harm to that child. Dont rush into anything, talk to Citizens Advise, you can go online and look up your exes rights and your own.

It is a terrible situation to be in, and I really hope that you can come to a path that benefits you and your daughter x

missperelman · 27/01/2013 21:42

thankyou. luckliy for me he is such a dodgy character, with such things going on, he would never in a million years take it to the courts because i could wipe the floor with him and ruin his life, if i was that type of person. which i'm not. but if pushed, with the fear of losing my daughter to them overnight, of course, i would have to x

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missperelman · 27/01/2013 21:43

when i say dodgy, i don't mean violent, just things he wouldn't want publicised, or looked in to

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NatzCNLS · 27/01/2013 21:54

Understand. My friend I mentioned before also had that advantage. He threatened to take her to court to gain access, she told him to do it. It never happened. She's not heard anything from him for a couple of years now.

missperelman · 27/01/2013 22:03

xx

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