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VickyandAlistair · 17/07/2012 10:14

Hi, need some advice please - my ds is 21mo and has recently become very fussy with eating. He'll eat his breakfast and a small lunch, but 9 times out of 10 point blank refuses his dinner. He does drink milk in the evening. I've tried offering him different foods - no good. He used to eat a wide variety of foods, now only seems to like beans and peas, wont touch many of the foods he used to eat with gusto.

However, this not eating of dinner is having a very irritating effect - he'll wake up at 1am, little tummy rumbling away, screaming for biscuits/yogurts/Pombears and wont go back to sleep until he's eaten something. I know that by giving him food in the middle of the night I am encouraging it, but my current living situation is nightmarish, due to having to leave our flat last year because of money issues we are living with my dad, brother, and grandmother. Hence I cant leave him to cry because it wakes the whole house up. We'll be here until next Spring at best :(

What to do? Any advice gratefully recieved.

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JennerOSity · 17/07/2012 10:37

That is very awkward isn't it!

I know what you mean as my 24mo ds has turned off lots of foods he used to love recently, which is a pain and reduces my meal options a lot.

You are right that feeding him at night isn't going to help. So how about a two-pronged approach?

  1. Is there any way you could sit the rest of the family down and explain the problem and ask that they could bear with you if you have a few nights of noisy upset while you try to get him back on track. I am sure his wider family will want to see his eating improve too and if pre-warned and supplied with ear plugs could cope with some night-time disruption in the interests of the long-term. You don't want this to be entrenched behaviour until next year!

I think you may find them more supportive than you imagine and if you have already discussed it and got them on board, you won't be cringing at 1am feeling the pressure of the other people in the house.

  1. Keep his carbs and nutrition up by making sure he gets his food in the day. If mealtimes are turning into a battle I think it is time to take the pressure of them, as you can't win a battle with a 21mo (with an older child you could threaten to take away tv or something - not going to work here). So keep giving the meals and keep dinner as the food you are all eating so he is offered the same as everyone else. But maybe change the pattern a little:
a) If you usually present the food ready plated, try dishing it out at the table so he can choose what and how much he gets given. b) Give lots of snacks, if he likes beans etc he may like stuff like pine nuts or various nuts - high energy and nutrition value (especially toasted - just warm in a frying pan until golden brown, takes 4 minutes); try ryvita type crispbreads; bread cut into fun shapes; finger foods like cucumber sticks etc; mashed potato made into balls with peas for eyes; keep presenting interesting things in ways which are quick and easy, so he can nibble for a few minutes and carry on play quickly. That way he is getting regular top ups and you are still giving him healthy stuff.

I do think this is just a stage and so long as you keep the choices varied and don't let the menu dwindle to a tiny few things eventually they'll come out of it. It is a challenge to try new foods, new ways of presenting it like fun shapes, or giving him some control/involvement by getting him to help cook it - choose it in the shops etc - Not easy when you are busy and just want to use your usual repertoire but worth it in the end I think.

Good luck.

VickyandAlistair · 17/07/2012 12:00

Oh wow thank you so much for that! Really helpful. Haven't thought about making shapes with his food before so will try that.

I will try to talk to my family but I doubt they will get it. They (in particular my brother) are very stern about us keeping ds' noise to a minimum at night. It can be a real nightmare. I cant wait until we've saved enough to get out on our own again ... :(

But thank you, lots to consider Thanks

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JennerOSity · 17/07/2012 13:23

Hope it helps. You aren't alone, but your situation is certainly complicated by being in someones house though, your brother doesn't sound very sympathetic (wait till he gets his own kids - you will have your revenge! Wink )

Still if you can get his food intake up in the day the night problem should go away, or at least improve.

I think sometimes children feel very 'fed at' (the equivalent of being 'talked at' as opposed to 'talked to') and I find my ds can be more interested if he has some control, so if I am feeding him ( he isn't that great with his cutlery yet, ho hum, another thread) I let him feed me and we take turns. He usually eats meals he has 'helped' cook better than meals which arrive out of the blue, though again that could be trickier in someone elses house perhaps.

My DS nursery have started doing soups! Not something I expected him to like but they give a little bit and let them dunk the bread and eat it that way, that's another novelty idea.

I use squeezy honey to draw pictures in his porridge and he has to eat the picture.

I have a plate with rabbits on and if he eats another piece he can see more rabbit.

Mine is terrible at eating veg so I try to get his 5 a day in via fruit which is easier at this time a year as he can eat his own body weight in strawberries and they are good for food on the go. But also easily peeled satsumas he can have a go at himself (can you make an elephant shape from the peel iykwim) and nice ripe peaches (this peach is furry! shall we stroke it before we eat it? How did that stone get in there!? etc)

He has gone right off bananas (contrary monkey) so I make banana milkshake (1 x banana + glass of milk whizzed up in whizzer) is a huge hit even though he doesn't like banana Hmm If I'm feeling generous or want to fill him up more I add strawberry yoghurt or even some hot chocolate powder to make it pink or choc coloured.

I did try saying to ds that if he eats so-and-so he can have such-and-such but found as soon as he realised the nice thing was available he would push his plate away and just want that - no concept of deferred reward yet! So I've stopped doing that and just try to keep food interesting and involving.

I also use soreen (ready sliced) as it is high energy and healthy (though need to clean his teeth after as quite sticky) he loves it and I don't mind him having it.

I shop in asda and they sell Urban Fruit in the fresh fruit aisle even though it is dried, but the great thing about it is that it is the pure fruit with no additives at all but have the texture of a chewy sweet, so win-win. www.urbanfruit.co.uk/ Mine loves the mango or the strawberry.

Good luck, hope things improve and you get your own place soon.

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VickyandAlistair · 17/07/2012 13:32

More fantastic ideas, I got some of those donut peaches yesterday, thought he might like that, taking turns in eating sounds good too although not so much for my waistline lol

Thank you so much, you sound like a brilliant mum :)

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Iggly · 17/07/2012 13:34

Can you give him tea earlier? Perhaps he is too tired?

I'd also only give milk at night - filling and you can easily reduce it when you need to.

JennerOSity · 17/07/2012 13:35

Awwww that's a nice compliment thanks.

I have my moments! Grin

FunnysInLaJardin · 17/07/2012 13:36

DS2 was still having a night feed up to the age of 2. He was too tired by the end of the day to eat and it was the only solution. PITA though!

JennerOSity · 17/07/2012 13:37

p.s when you take turns eating don't make it extra rations - then your waistline might survive! Arf!

matana · 17/07/2012 13:38

How about a 'meze' that he can pick and choose from? When DS goes through picky phases i fix him a little salad with a selection of different, brightly coloured foods: cherry tomatoes, olives, egg, cheese, ham, chicken etc. He loves feeling like he's got the 'choice' (and associated independence)over what to eat and invariably eats the whole lot, choosing his favourite to eat first. I always find finger foods are great when they go through fussy phases. Maybe try giving him a bigger lunch and a smaller, more buffet style dinner? Oh and bananas are great for dessert, filling and help promote good sleep.

JennerOSity · 17/07/2012 13:40

That's a good one, mine loves black olives (but not green) with the stone out, we pop an olive on the end of his fingers and he eats them off - like you do with hula hoops. :)

leguminous · 18/07/2012 09:30

Seconding matana's idea - we do the buffet thing quite often when daughter (27 months but this has been going on for a while) is being a little toerag picky. A one-egg omelette cut into strips, some cubes of cheese, cherry tomatoes, toast soldiers, grapes, stuff like that. Apparently that's enough to make her feel like she's in charge of dinner, and it usually all gets eaten. Whereas if I offer her just one or two dishes, she'll resist to the bitter end because then she Wins, by not eating what I want her to eat. This can be a problem at any meal but is always worse in the evening when she's tired.

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