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The shouty mums' underground lair - join me

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DitaVonCheese · 10/04/2012 14:51

Having a bad, shouty day after week or so of being a calm zen-like mum. Feel crap. Anyone else out there?

There comes a point when arguing with 3 yo DD when I just tip over and end up shouting "Oh just bloody do it then, I don't care!". This is not good parenting. Argh. Roll on 6 o'clock.

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CatsSleepAnywhere · 19/04/2012 18:28

Hi all, I have calmed down now. I just get sick of the sibling rivalry that we seem to get in our house. On their own they are fine but when they are both together, things get stressful.
Mine are 3 and 8 so a bit of an age gap. The 8yr old (DS) doesn't quite understand that DD (3) is very much still learning and thinks all toys are hers Hmm. Then they both want to sit in the same chair. DS pushes DD off which ends up with her crying. It all gets too much sometimes.

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BlueEyeshadow · 19/04/2012 18:55

Hi all. Can I join in too? I'm a very shouty mum, which I hate, and have read both "How to talk" and "When your kids push your buttons" several times each. Definitely good advice, but it doesn't seem to stick. Blush

I do feel like I need some kind of anger management course sometimes. How do I go about finding out what's available??

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mathanxiety · 19/04/2012 19:17

You have to get yourself under control first. You can do simple things like breathing mindfully or counting backwards slowly from 105 to 92.

Look at the process as if you were on a plane and the oxygen masks dropped down. You put your own on first before you can help the child. In order for this process to work like that you need to see situations that provoke anger as situations where you have the chance to teach the child or do something else positive for him, and not a situation where you and the child are in direct confrontation and one must win (which gives rise to anxiety that you should be the one who wins and the fight reflex kicks in - fuel to the flames).

(As well as breathing or counting, you can visualise some helpful or positive symbol like the oxygen mask.)

Look at it as if there's plenty of oxygen (= opportunity/time to teach the children, and self control) to go round and as if you had to get that oxygen yourself before you can be of any use in supplying it to those who depend on you. When you start to look at it this way you find that you are mentally in control. Situations that arise are seen as teaching opportunities and not fight or flight incidents. They can be the glass half full and not the glass half empty.

It can also help, if you find your interactions tend to be more negative than positive, to make a conscious effort to praise, to catch the DCs being good, even to make positive remarks to them about things you see when you're out and about or at home -- 'I like the way the gale is blowing the trees around today', 'I like the way this one corner of the sitting room looks so tidy and quiet' - you may well find yourself grinding your teeth and feeling very self conscious but you can train yourself into a more positive and less stressed mindset.

Mentally, before getting to the place where we see ourselves in teaching mode, we should be aiming to:
--recognise that the other person is having a problem and it is their problem, not ours;
Creating boundaries around ourselves and recognising the boundaries around others is needed here. Boundaries are not just about imposing rules on others. Having boundaries for ourselves involves acknowledging the separateness of other people, their autonomy and their separate feelings.

--recognise that their behaviour and words are not about us;
This involves casting off defensivenes and anxiety. It requires examining the expectations we may hold that we should be a perfect parent, examining the related assumptions we may have that a tantrumming/un-cooperative/whinging/mischievous child is somehow reproaching us for our imperfection, thus feeding our fear, guilt and disappointment in ourselves, all of which keep us going around on our little gerbil wheel of reaction.

Some really good insights and tips here.

Meglet · 19/04/2012 19:24

mathanxiety I did yoga and breathing for 10 years, I never relaxed once. I only relax under hospital sedation before ops Blush. There's probably a good case for adding valium to my water supply.

morecoffeemorecoffee · 19/04/2012 20:02

Signing in.

I know my triggers for shouting. Today was a one of those days, although, much better than it would normally be. Im exhausted. Worked a night shift last night. Had ds2 (3.11) home all day so no sleep after working all night. Kept my calm mostly, but could feel the stress bubbling inside this afternoon after picking ds1 (6.2) up from school. He is always teasy when he finished school. He's tired, hungry, always needs the toilet. He has a snack when I pick him up and this helps a little, but he holds off going to the toilet until he's about to burst and this makes him angry. He then starts winding up ds2 and all I here is the 2 of them bickering all evening. If I'm not tired and the house is tidy I am calm. If I am exhausted, with a messy chaotic house I'm snappy.

I hate hate hate it. For.me, the solution is easy and that is to give up my job. Dh says I should, we both agree we are all happier when I'm home. I'd much prefer not to work, but not sure ee can do without the money :(

mathanxiety · 19/04/2012 20:05

Nothing stressed me like yoga. Grin

Maybe Pilates come to think of it.

BlueEyeshadow · 20/04/2012 18:47

Well, we've just had the biggest car crash of a family dinner ever. I know that food being rejected is a big trigger for me, but I keep persuading myself that "this time" I make risotto (because DH and I like it) with ingredients that they like individually, they will realise that they're nice combined too...

Then DH gets shouty because I'm shouty and cross, and the boys get upset, and nobody wins. Why do I keep doing this to myself??!

Indiestarr · 22/04/2012 22:12

Have had a terrible shouty day today and came on looking for just such a thread. DD is 8 and going through a backchatty stage. Often my problem is a voice inside my head saying 'Your DP's would never have let you get away with this behaviour, they would have yelled blue murder' so find myself compelled to shout because that's how I would've been dealt with. However, whereas I would immediately have snapped into line, DD appears unconvinced, and I'm not particularly convinced either, so as frustration builds I rachet up the anger! 'I really mean this!' is what I'm trying to get across - instead I suspect I come across as laughable and slightly mad. It just doesn't work - probably because relationship between me and my DPs is completely different to that between me and DD. Ours is far less authoritarian, but the trouble is when I feel discipline is needed I'm short on ideas, and the ineffectual shouting just gets out of hand.

PooPooInMyToes · 23/04/2012 08:11

Hi! Joining!

Thank for that methananxiety. Will reread later.

MrsMangoBiscuit · 23/04/2012 10:02

Hello, I'd like to join too please. I have started to become a shouty mum. My mum was a shouty mum (although a good mum) and it's sort of crept up on me. I don't just snap and start shouting, I start by raising my voice a little and it just builds up. Blush

I'm starting to recognise my triggers, the main one being DD doing something I've just asked/told her not too. Sometimes she just hasn't understood what I've said, sometimes she does it because I've said! I react almost without thinking, instant stern voice, and I need to stop that. I am going to practice lowering my voice and sounding calm, even if I don't feel it!

I might have to print that out, mathanxiety. :)

CuttedUpPear · 23/04/2012 10:08

I'm joining too.
I need an extra badge to sew on my sleeve - sweary shouty mum Blush
I started swearing when they became teenagers.

Zimbah · 23/04/2012 10:46

I'm in! I manage to go several days without shouting and then DD misbehaves/behaves like a normal 3 yr old, and I snap. Mathanxiety I will reread your thread several times, that's very helpful.

MimsyBorogroves · 23/04/2012 11:12

Yep, I'm here.

My problem is that I have little experience of 4 year olds. I worry my expectations are too high. DS1 is highly articulate, and it's difficult for me to work out what's "normal" behaviour and what I should be clamping down upon.

It's the silliness that pushes my buttons hardest. Asking DS1 not to do something (don't poke the cat, don't spin near the baby...) and then watching him do the same thing seconds later.

I've managed my other triggers better - whining, for example - I now repeat (constantly) "I don't speak whinge. Come and tell me when you can speak properly" - having a stock phrase seems to help.

Devora · 23/04/2012 11:16

Yes, thanks mathanxiety.

I'm doing quite well this week. Sort of. I am finding the tip to count back from 105 to 92 really helpful.

hillbilly · 23/04/2012 13:29

I shout too much and hate myself for it. DH tends to be very creative in getting the kids to do as he asks whereas I ask and expect a positive response. I also don't have time to be creative when I'm getting kids ready for school etc. DS (4.6) is very objectionable and DD (6.10) encourages his behaviour.

Must try harder.

BlueEyeshadow · 23/04/2012 13:47

Phew! I thought I'd killed the thread... Thanks for that link mathanxiety - I've only just had time to read it, but will have another look later on.

I've just got "Buddhism for Mothers" out of the library. I'm hoping that the chapter on anger will be helpful - haven't got to it yet.

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MrsMangoBiscuit · 24/04/2012 07:09

pollyh, I was looking for a site that is full of the realities of parenting, which is how I found mumsnet :)

Had a great day yesterday, although this was largely due to DD being lovely for most of the day. Tantrums score DD 1 - Me 0 Grin

Just going to re-read mathanxiety's post before starting the day.

ProjectGainsborough · 24/04/2012 20:29

Hello fellow shrews

It is possible that mathan's post just saved my life. Had a hideous shouty day that reached a peak of awfulness when my 3 yo told me he hated me (which incidentally made me cry quite a lot in secret).

Finally got the little bugger to bed and went outside with DH for wine on patio (we are abroad in case anyone was wondering why I would be drinking outside in the pissing rain) when we realised that the lock on the back door had seized, with toddler and baby inside the house. After 45 minutes we managed to prize our way in using garden shovel to sleeping and perfectly safe children and DH asked why I hadn't panicked more.

It was because of the oxygen mask thing.

Made me think think that when push comes to shove, maybe we're all better mothers than we think we are...

Anyway, think I shall take myself off to bed before the euphoria (and wine) wear off.

BlueEyeshadow · 25/04/2012 11:04

That's great PG!

I currently have a sore throat from hell. This means shouting is a very bad idea. I am going to try and use this as an opportunity to find other ways of communicating... Wink

becstarsky · 25/04/2012 11:29

Just saw this thread and smiled in recognition - the other day DS (age nearly six) and I were sitting on the sofa together.

DS: We're getting on well today aren't we Mum?
Becstar: Erm... yeah I guess so DS.
DS: You haven't shouted at all.
Becstar: Do I shout a lot DS?
DS: Sometimes. Do you know Mum, I don't think it's good for you. I think you need to try to be more peaceful.

Becstar: Thanks for that. I'll bear it in mind DS. Tell you what - can you go for a day without doing something incredibly dangerous?
DS: Erm...probably not a whole day, no
Becstar: Not even to help me be more peaceful?
DS: I would if I could remember Mum. I'd like to help you out, I would. But there are so many things to remember. Cars, boiling kettles, not jumping onto the train tracks...
Becstar:... staying away from fire, not climbing out of upstairs windows...
DS: Exactly. Loads of stuff. I really can't remember it all. But if you could just remind me more quietly?

Anyway, here I am, signing in as a very shouty mum.

alittlebitshy · 25/04/2012 12:51

May i join?

I am a horrid shouty mum. I hate it so much and i know that when i am calm the dc ( almost 9 and 3.9) react better but shouting is my auto-response:(

NorthernNumpty · 25/04/2012 13:02

Mine is only 2.2 and I am already shouty mum, what hope is there for me??

I don't know where my anger comes from, never thought of myself as shouty before but having DS has made me realise I have a very short fuse. The worst is trying not to boil over in the nursery car park when he is refusing to sit in his car seat (think plank of wood or hiding in footwell) and feeling the eyes of all the parents judging!

Becstar your post made me Grin

becstarsky · 25/04/2012 13:27

Oh the judgement of other parents NorthernNumpty - I've had a lot of that! I was screeching at DS once to 'be careful' as he ran directly towards a lamp post A passing mother stopped me and with that 'sidehead' 'concerned' voice said 'You know you don't need to shout at him. They have a natural co-ordination.' I suspect she's never had to take her kids to A&E after they've knocked themselves unconscious by running straight into a lamp post... whereas I had done, a month or so previously.

My mum cheers me up in an odd kind of way. She said she never shouted at either of my older sisters and used to look smugly on at other mothers shrieking at their kids in M&S thinking 'they need to take a leaf out of my book'. Then I came along and she found herself... shrieking at me in M&S, because I really didn't listen unless she shouted at me, and I tended to do very dangerous things (cough, mychildismykarma, cough). And she saw other mums looking at her all smug and judgey and thought 'I hope you have another one...'

I really am trying not to shout except for life-threatening stuff - but I do, I confess I do...