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MIL's parenting opinions- how should first-timer deal with them? Sorry, bit long.

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FreshwaterPlimpies · 29/03/2012 18:05

First baby due soon. Have read a fair bit about attachment parenting, baby-wearing, exclusive breastfeeding etc, (all that hippy guff:) and am happy to try go down that route. If some of it works, it works, if not.. we'll try other things, but at the moment I like the biologically-based rationale behind it.

My MIL is generally lovely, but very old-school. She believes firmly in sleep-training, leaving to cry (not spoiling them,) has told DH that baby should move into its own room straight away (because she and FIL slept better that way) and just generally knocks down every decision DH and I have jointly agreed on.
She doesn't do this in front of me, but DH comes home from visits repeating what she's said. He says that she just 'smirks and chuckles' when he mentions what we've decided to try, which I find quite rude.

She recently offered to buy us a sling for the baby and asked us what we'd like. We pointed her in the direction of a soft sling that we could use for a while, but she didn't like the style and so went and bought a structured Babybjorn type thing without consulting us. She was then really upset when DH told her thank you, but it isn't really what we wanted as we'd like to carry the baby up to toddler age. This conflicted with the 'anti-spoiling' policy and she had a bit of a rant down the phone, which I overheard.

I understand that she's done it all before, but things have moved on. I know she's only sharing because she's trying to help us, but I'm a bit concerned with the extremity of her reaction about the sling. We haven't heard from her since (a week), though DH handled it really calmly and made it clear we were really grateful but we'd have to change it.

Just worried that this is a sign of things to come. I don't want to cause any rifts before baby is even born.

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WaitingForMe · 30/03/2012 07:30

We currently deal with MIL with a triple strategy.

a) Limit what we tell her
b) DH now understands that passing on her bitchy/negative comments to me is as unacceptable as saying then himself
c) When she starts a rant we politely change the subject. If she won't we say goodbye and leave/hang up

She doesn't know I'm pregnant yet but I'm confident things won't change too much. I plan to be vague on everything from breastfeeding plans to the cot we're buying.

exoticfruits · 30/03/2012 07:31

That is the difference notcitrus-I would never say that to a family member! You would deny your DC a loving grandmother because you couldn't take (and ignore) her advice? Hmm
The grandchild is going to think you are nutty, to stop contact over something so trivial, when older!
It fizzles out later-people are at their worst over babies.

exoticfruits · 30/03/2012 07:33

Excellent WaitingForMe-the only 3 rules that you need!

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mateysmum · 30/03/2012 07:48

My best friend's daughter is about a year older than my DS and when we were having chats about childbirth/babies, she gave me lots of info/advice, but here best bit of advice was:
"remember, all advice is useless, because your baby will be different".

In other words, go with the flow a bit. Your MIL may have some useful advice and you will want to do things your way too. I would listen to what she says, maybe ask her opinion on less important matters and as others said nod and ignore.

When baby comes, you may want to adjust your preconceived ideas. Carrying a toddler sounds emotionally fab, but I only used a carrier for a few months because then DS ( not a big baby at all)was simply too heavy, awkward and wriggly to carry comfortably.

LydiaWickham · 30/03/2012 08:59

Oh yes, carrying up to toddlerhood - meant to say, I planned this, then I knackered my back giving birth, it took until DS was about a year to be 'right' by which point we were sort of used to using a buggy and the sling has been used for less than 10 times.

It's also not worth saying to loudly what you will do because you'll get smug grins from your MIL if you then find that doesn't work for your DC/you can't do that...

PessimisticMissPiggy · 30/03/2012 09:12

My mil has been won over by the attachment parenting style after seeing what a happy, healthy and sociable person my DD is developing into. We had some differences but now she acknowledges that it was right for us.

When baby arrives hopefully she'll give you space to develop your parenting style.

FreshwaterPlimpies · 30/03/2012 11:17

Thanks everyone.. I've had a good read through and have lots to think about.
Think this from exotic might get used if it comes to it- "We've had really excellent, up-to-date advice from our midwife so we're following that"

As I did mention, we're definitely not going to be rigid about parenting styles- who the heck knows what's going to work after all? The way I see it, we'll work it out as it goes along, but it can't hurt to try read about a bit and get some ideas. I'm sure she is having a good old chuckle at our naivete, but it's hard to be shot down before we've even had a try at things, you know? Especially when it's not done to my face.

dreamingbohemian When I say 'I understand that she's done it all before, but things have moved on' I'm not meaning it in a 'Oh look at you and your quaint old perambulator- look how modern I am with my baby-wearing malarkey', I'm more meaning that MIL is outright scoffing at things that are recommended from a safety or health perspective (and yes, I know this'll probably change in ten years time:o) like not putting baby alone to sleep from newborn, exBFing, not leaving babies to scream from a young age to 'train' them. I don't think I'm being precious to already have opinions on these things, surely? Ironically, think they probably all represent a backwards step compared to the more managed way that MIL advocates.

I know I said before, but I have never talked to her about any of this. I've only discussed parenting ideas with DH because honestly I'd feel like a tit if I went on and on to everyone about how we'll be co-sleeping, then find out DC isn't having any of it. MIL is the one pointedly asking DH about things and telling him we're wrong. Think I need him to stop reporting to me, and just tell her we'll bear the advice in mind. Sanity-saver methinks.

The sling thing... is really not about the sling. It's more the fact that she specifically asked us to pick out something that she could buy to help us with the new baby (really nice of her, and very grateful,) then decided she didn't like it and went and bought what she thought was more suitable. Just find that a bit off to be honest and unfortunately it's something that she's done before when we were planning the wedding a few years ago. More like something you'd do for a child, not your grown son and his wife.

She did do a good job with DH and brother. I mean neither can have a 'discussion' with her without being shouted down, but she had a terrible upbringing, so I can see where the conflict-management issues might come in. The main thing is DH realises this is just how she is and knows how to work round it.

Do want to make things work... want DC to have a good relationship with Granny as she is lovely in most other ways. Think it's just a really emotional time for her (as well as DH and me). Am going to try the 'trip down memory lane' route next time I see her and hopefully get her to open up a bit.
Thank you for reading and replying.

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FreshwaterPlimpies · 30/03/2012 11:20

MissPiggy- that's great to hear. Hope however we do end up raising DC, they'll turn out okay:)

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 30/03/2012 11:57

I don't have an MIL but my mother's got some firm opinions on child-rearing. :) I found what helped was to have a conversation that said.... 'I value your opinion. If I need some help or advice I'll ask for it. If I don't take the advice, please don't be upset'. Then I just had to resist complaining about the baby because, if I did, that was interpreted as 'she's not Ok and she needs my advice'. I'm sure you'll be fine.

Janoschi · 30/03/2012 12:14

I inwardly make a mental note of how my family and my DH's turned out, and frankly in my case we were all screwed up in various ways. So I smile and ignore.

My family had a mentally ill, abusive mother who beat the stuffing out of us and screamed at us for no reason. We were made to feel guilty for even breathing. She walked out on her two previous kids when toddlers and never gave a backward glance. This still has echoes now that we're all adults. So I refuse to take advice from my mother.

My DH's mother spoiled her kids rotten and gave no guidelines at all. All three suffer from an overly developed sense of entitlement. Again, I ignore her advice.

Unwanted gifts though, you just have to accept graciously! My own mother gave me a big black pram that had belonged to a baby that had died. She tried to make me buy it off her for £300 (WTF??) but I refused - still ended up with the horror though. Can't even give it away. Anyone want a black travel system?

Janoschi · 30/03/2012 12:24

I also have the sneaking suspicion that my DM is going over the top with advice to try to prove to herself that she could be a good mother, and to give me the impression I must've had a good babyhood too. Some kind of second chance....?

WinkyWinkola · 30/03/2012 12:26

I really do not see how you choose to bring up your child is any of her business. At all. However lovely in other ways she may be.

By smirking and chuckling, she is deliberately undermining you and trying to make you feel wobbly about decisions you might like to make for yourself.

Do we on MN smirk and snurk at new parents who don't have any idea about what's about to hit them? I don't think. Why? Because they could be really vulnerable and it's like bullying, frankly.

You may find that some things about your parenting choices actually do concur with hers. Many may not. It's entirely up to you which routes you choose.

And of course you'll be flexible and mix and match and try new things out - but that's still none of anybody else's business.

Personally, I'd be very wary about involving her too much in parenting in the early days until you've established your confidence and what you and dh think is best. It's so easy just let others push you into their way of thinking when you're tired, having a bad day or just hacked off.

So many people need others to follow them and do the same as they did - why? Because it justifies their own choices.

I was really upset by my mil who was appalled I was bfing and made no bones about telling me that I was doing the wrong thing. She didn't seem to understand that she isn't my dcs mother and she simply doesn't get to make those decisions anymore.

Usually you just have to snap once and they get the message.

daytoday · 30/03/2012 12:31

I think there are two things going on here - firstly her ideas on parenting. Of course times change and it must be so strange to find out that what you did with your own children, is considered 'wrong.' I'm sure you can deal with this graciously.

The second, is how she seems to react with her son. I personally do not think it is ok for her to row or get angry with her son on the phone, complicating what should be a rather joyous time.

They are two issues - one is about her grandparenting the other is about her own parenting of her son.

I'm sure she is in many ways 'stressing' but could your husband speak to his father or does he have a sister he could lean on, to give grandma some guidance?

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney · 30/03/2012 12:39

Well next time she offers her opinion just "chuckle and smirk" see how she likes it, old boot.

albertswearengen · 30/03/2012 12:48

IME tell her as little as possible. If you can't or don't want to do all the things you think you would like to do once the baby is here she will only start the "I told you so" thing. I can understand you would like to try and do certain things but best laid plans and all that. Once the baby is here you will need your DH to be as up front with her as he can when she is annoying. She may have genuinely good advice for you so I would keep an open mind.
Saying that my MIL revelled in the fact she thought I was making an arse of it because I didn't do things her way. We've got over it now- 3.5 years later.

exoticfruits · 30/03/2012 14:33

I think that most people get over it 3.5yrs later when the DC has a voice and personality-it is by far the worse when they are babies and everyone is free with advice and the poor baby can't cast an opinion, beyond crying -which anyone can interpret to suit themselves! It is probably even worse before they are born.

notcitrus · 30/03/2012 14:44

exoticfruits - there was 30 years of history leading up to that point! I don't recall what the immediate issue was but it was something seriously unsafe.

But me finally standing up for myself has resulted in a good adult relationship between us and ds getting to see gps every couple weeks, whereas 10 years ago I'd have predicted having to avoid them for my sanity and dcs safety and only doing an annual duty visit like I got with one lot of my gps. Still didn't leave ds alone with her until recently as she still thinks pins and small marbles are good toys for a 9mo. Anything not potentially fatal I let slide - though when ds threw up regularly after visits from too much ice cream I did ask my dad to cut that down!

exoticfruits · 30/03/2012 14:56

I did say that it might be different if you had a toxic mother or MILbut OP's MIL seems perfectly nice and normal.

theduchesse · 01/04/2012 10:01

Just wanted to put another positive story in here. My MIL was like this during my pregnancy and until DS was a couple of weeks old. We just smiled and nodded and did things our own way and eventually she realised we were doing fine and because DS was now born she could just get on with the REAL job of a GP - loving the socks off him. I now couldn't ask for a better GP for DS or MIL for me :)

FreshwaterPlimpies · 01/04/2012 18:39

duchesse.. sounds like things turned out brilliantly. Fingers crossed for the same outcome.. cheers!

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