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Q&A with Sharon Hodgson, Shadow Minister for Children and Families -ANSWERS BACK

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RachelMumsnet · 19/03/2012 17:15

This week we're inviting you to send in questions to Sharon Hodgson. Sharon is the Labour Member of Parliament for Washington and Sunderland West, and Shadow Minister for Children and Families.

As Shadow Education Minister and parent of a child with severe dyslexia, Sharon has been asked to review the Labour Party's policies on Special Educational Needs this year.

Sharon is keen to hear stories of people with experience of the special needs system, whether that's young people, their parents or carers, or the professionals who work with them. Full details of the review are available at j.mp/SENreview

Please post your story or suggestion to improve SEN provision and policy and Sharon will then respond. Using ideas to help inform new SEN policies.

Send in your questions to Sharon before the end of Friday 23rd March and we'll be linking to her answers w/c 2nd April.

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coppertop · 20/03/2012 23:09

I too think there is a major lack of provision for children with SN/SEN making the transition into secondary school.

There are no realistic options out there for an academically able child who is unable to cope with a large mainstream comprehensive. In our county there are a grand total of just 10 places available for children like this. That's just ten places in an entire county, even though autism is estimated to affect 1 in 100 people. And that's not even ten places per year. No, those places are shared out between children between the ages of 5yrs and 16yrs.

devientenigma · 20/03/2012 23:14

this is all fab, whereas I have lost the plot caring for my son 24/7, who has an obvious disability from birth. Yet because he didn't fit the text book criteria of that disability, the system has struggled with him and we have struggled with the system for over 11 year!!

When are we going to treat the symptons NOT the disability!!!???

latedeveloper · 20/03/2012 23:40

what agnes said

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Triggles · 21/03/2012 07:43

I agree as well regarding provision for transition into secondary school for children with SN/SEN.

We're dealing with this at the infant to junior school transition right now and it's so incredibly frustrating. Nothing for our son who is academically able but cannot cope with mainstream classrooms. We're being told that he is too advanced academically for the special school, but unable to cope with the mainstream school. What's left?? How is he supposed to develop to his potential so that he can be employed as an adult?

When the government are pushing those classed as disabled to work, but have not allowed them to develop the skills needed to work, how are they supposed to survive? Between this, and the recent nonsense brought up about paying people with disabilities a lower wage (lower than minimum wage), I feel that these children are looked upon as expendable and written off at their young ages as someone that will never contribute or belong in society.

SanctiMoanyArse · 21/03/2012 08:33

Another key point is the lives of siblings of disabled children.

DS1 is aggressive; SSD know this, school know this, most weeks I send ds2 into schooll with an injury- black eye yesterday.

Yet there is nothing for him. I wanted to set up a siblings group but could get no help from anyone with room allocation asn as my carer's Allowance is not made of elastic (and alrady fails to be stretchy enough for our needs) I had to abdon the idea. Yet I would have been good- as well as the ASD Training I used to work for HomeStart and run a family group, and I was a Guider.

I worry hugely about ds2; if I were injuring him I would expect to lose my darling boys. But he and indeed I live with constant aggression and can do nothing about it. School and the NAS tried to get me restraint training but as I am not a teacher I was refused. How can a child like ds2- some SEN (ADD) but no severe needs and 3 ASD siblings- grow up without ptsd? If he were a spouse, he would have a refuge; we don't qualify for respite though. And as for ds3, who is very vulnerable, ds1's constant bullying has the power to turn him to scared jelly within a single glance.

If you can answer one person though please make it DevienbtEnighma'aa; have been following her case foy years and she has been so badly let down

SanctiMoanyArse · 21/03/2012 08:33

Apols for typing, three year old / keyboard issues!

LeninGrad · 21/03/2012 09:53

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Triggles · 21/03/2012 10:16

I see your point LeninGrad, but how can direct payments help for education when the services needed just aren't there?

mycarscallednev · 21/03/2012 10:28

Tell me why?
Why do we have to battle day in day out to get the support our children need - not just in the education system, but for just for the basics for day to day?
Why do we have to go to Tribunal, onlt to settle the day before, just to get the right school for our child?
Why are our children not supported at mainstream despite having a statement?
Why can a school take the money from an SEN statement and spend it elsewhere?
Why are we made to feel like it's or fault?
Why are our children made to feel like it's theirs?
Why is it that when we were recently at GOSH a room of 15 parents of disabled children all said that their schools either did just enough to get by, or were totaly useless?
Why will no one take up the cause of SEN children despite such enquires as the Lamb Enquiry? - well that's one I can answer - our children aren't glamourous, us parents are seen as pushy and troublesome, and the various gaovernments have made the system so bloody hard no one is prepared to put thier necks out and make it work.

We want our children to be as good as they can possibly be - not squared circles, just because that makes them easier to slot in.

We want our children to be as able to be fully functioning members of society when they are adults - can't you see that investing in them now, will mean they will cost you less in benefits, support and lost taxation in later life?

I am sick, totally pissed off with how this system treats us and our children, you talk all the talk, but do the square route of bugger all.

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SanctiMoanyArse · 21/03/2012 11:01

But what about the notion being thrown around that budgets will be lifetime: so you can buy in lots of education but there won't be much left later on and vice versa? i find that very scary tbh. DS1 could go eithert way- incredibly successful or end up in prison or psych care- woudl I make the decision to use the money now to purchase a place at the school he attends (and would that be some kind of auction given there were 20 people for every place?) or save it for later on?

We are blessed to have good schools in place (only took 6 years with a new start beginning in next few months...) but we have no respite, there is a summer club they access although ds1 is now too old and they did almost lose their palces last time, we have lost ds3's transport there which means that I have to drive to different provisions in different villages and that costs a fortune. They can't attend togetehr. The scheme ds3 attends (a scheme available to every local NT child but where there is TA access for the kids with SN) is amazing, but we fund ds1, who never is allowed out alone, was found by me in a carpark last time, plus lots of other horrible things.

DS3 has significant SL delays and stops communicating when stressed has been discharged from SALT. The eating disorder specialist ds1 had to see when he weighed 3.5st at 10 years old asked me to tell her about autism as she did not know much.

When I had a breakdown last year the GP called SSD and told them to sort something she was refused. File closed. My BIL has suggested euthanasia for disabled people becuase apparently 'we cannot afford them'- and that is something the Government seeks to promote, this concept of unaffordability.

Yet as that quote from Tony Benn goes- 'If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people'.

Non visible disability seems to be scapegoated a lot, I notice that I get far more empathy if I just say the boys are disabled than if I mention autism- because autism is a modern thing right? bad parenting, working mothers, spoilt kids. just because research shows brain damage and genetic changes and that autism was about in the same proportion before the labels existed- who cares when you have a nice little 'other' to point at?

Sooner or later, the system will implode: people appealing ATOS on ESA will have to work or lose all income- except if they could work at all they wouldn;t be entitled to ESA anyway! Homelessness of people with disabilities will go sky high and suicides will be common; Uniersal credit will bring financial collpase to many, especially those who care for people on MR DLA (will have to work or face workfare, and the work hours are set where CA stops so no help tehre either). People will ask why so many people with MH disorders are on the streets and maybe even cause a risk to- ahem- 'hard pressed working families'. And I will sob becuase I have tried so very, very many times to explain and been ignored, treated as a pest with an axe to grind or even dismissed as 'oh but we don't mean YOUR family, yours are deserving...'. Well, we might be or not depending on how you look at it, but we WILL be affected- £25 PW this year, and it won't get better. A friend who has 3 disabled children and needs her DH to help care for them will lose £200 a month and is terrified.

So really this is just a rant but having professional, academic and actual interests is disability and it's care puts me in a fair place to do that I think. Unless there are suddenly hundreds of businesses willing to hire Carers who need plenty of time off in preference to the many unemployed people without those demands, or disabled people needing adaptations and hospital time off.... a rise in appropriate housing options..... a massive influx of people inspired by some divine light who wish to provide respite and support disability charities.... chances for carers to retrain.... childcare option for disbaled kids 9and that emans those over 12, or 14, as well- when many palces stop accepting children)- well without that everyone is stuffed basically.

And I do mean everyone because all it will do is create a timebomb: people who need far more care because they were let down, carers in psych care or who have killed themselves, disabled people traumatised by a lack of help needing psych in patient care... buty perhaps crucially people who have given in to the whole game of divide and rule the current government is playing and that who DO believe that disabled means a scrounger; that not working is a choice- people who have dangerous opinions and a vote. A terrifying combination.

Voidka · 21/03/2012 11:28

You hear lots about ending postcode lottery for cancer drugs etc. Yet I have not heard this in reference to SEN services. Where we live we in the county and so we get some positives, such as great inclusion services, but I cant get funding for a laptop for DS at school - I would be able to get this if I lived 100 metres down the road in the city.

I also would like to see changes to the Additional School Needs criteria. While I understand the correlation between NC targets/free school meals and SEN this cannot be fair for all children, especially those in better off areas that are therefore seen as a drain on resources.

LadySybilDeChocolate · 21/03/2012 12:02

I have a disabled 12 year old child. He has hypermobility syndrome which causes loose ligaments, poor muscle tone and a lot of pain. He's unable to walk any further then a few metres as he either falls over or is in pain and needs to stop. He falls into the road and down steps so needs escorting to ensure that he's safe. He struggles to fasten buttons, struggles to cut up his food, can't open a bottle etc. I applied for DLA for him last year as it costs a fair amount of money to get him to school. He was turned down. I put in an appeal and he was turned down again, they said that he was turned down because he can walk and it was irrelevant that it was unsafe or painful. They didn't write to his physiotherapist, who he used to see weekly (I can't afford this now), but wrote to his GP who's seen him once in the past 3 years. I can't understand the logic behind this.

If you want to make the lives of parents easier then you need to start with this. The form itself puts parents off applying and it's soul destroying to be told that you are not entitled to help for your child, when it's something that you really need.

mycarscallednev · 21/03/2012 14:02

Ditto the above - this morning our DLA decision came through - apparently having to catheterise my 7 year old every 2 hours means he doesn't have 'toileting' issues.
Apparently having to spend upwards of 4 nights a week up with him for 3 hours as his knee-caps have subluxed and he is going into shock due to the pain dosn't consitute 'night time care'.
The fact that his Caths are out over night and his bladder voids and he wets the bed dosn't consitute 'night-time care' - so I leave him in pain do I, and in a wet bed?
The fact that he has to use a wheelchair - provided by the wheelchair service and he has to have a Blue Badge isn't enough to consitute a mobility problem.

The sysytem is a fucking mess, and nobody, nobody cares. If there were still workhouses they'd shove us and our kids in there and forget about us. I am beyond coping and beyond knowing how to get from one day to the next. I give up now, just give up.

SanctiMoanyArse · 21/03/2012 14:10

mycar

that's really standard with DLA; it's commonly beleived that tehy read half of applciations and reject the otehr half without bothering... I could not comment... Wink

My ds3 was refused on first application, when we asked for a reconsideration he got High rate; he now gets MR but it shows hoe silly it is.

Start with writing to them to ask for a reconsideration, outlining where theya re wrong- use the cerebra guide, or CAB can help.

Those things you quote DO count and they know it, chances are you will be awarded on asking a reconsideration anyway, if not you should sail through a tribunal I would think; but you shouldn't have to.

Lady- unsafe or painful walking fits criteria, can I suggest you also see your local CAB to discuss this?

Triggles · 21/03/2012 14:29

Our DS2 was refused mobility, even though he has a Mac Major through the OT due to mobility and safety issues and cannot be let go at all outside the house. They made such a point to say over and over "if we look at it again to decide on the mobility, there is a possibility they may change their mind and lower the rate of care as well." Shock He was awarded MR when he qualified for HR, and we were worried it'd get knocked down to LR, so we didn't fight the refusal on the mobility or ask for a reconsideration for HR. But when it's up for renewal next year, we will be pushing for the mobility as well (provided obviously that he still qualifies, which he most likely still will).

The whole system seems geared to make you feel off-balance, so you don't push boundaries at all. It shouldn't be a fight to get support that your child is entitled to or qualifies for. And everywhere we go for assistance tells us something different - how in heaven's name are we supposed to sort it all out?

TheLightPassenger · 21/03/2012 14:30

Yes, DevientEnigma has raised some v important points re:school refusal, and a culture where if state school provision doesn't meet the child's needs, then there is so little flexibility in the system, and highly vulnerable children can end up missing out on an education. If a child can't cope in their local special school, what next?

LadySybilDeChocolate · 21/03/2012 14:44

I'm waiting for the easter break sancti. He's being assessed for dyspraxia at the moment as well so I need to see what this shows up. It never rains, hey! Hmm

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TheLightPassenger · 21/03/2012 15:40

sorry Lenin, didn't mean to offend or imply that it wasn't a result of sensory etc overwhelm. Is there a better phrase in use these days?

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mycarscallednev · 21/03/2012 20:13

Thanks for your help, spent most of day feeling wretched and either crying or near to it - despite being angry at myself for being like that in the first place when I usually cope. I'm just so bloody sick of fighting for evertything. You'd think we asked for a child with so many problems - and poor little thing I love him so much and it breaks my heart that he has to listen to my constant battles. Why does it have to be like this. This site is the only place where anyone else 'gets' how I feel. Thank you xx

SanctiMoanyArse · 21/03/2012 21:29

School phobia is a better term- ds1 and ds3 have had bouts of it, ds4 seems to be heading that way in quite a significant way. Really struggling atm.

Sensory on his part. He's at the early stage of the whole dx thing but I feel I am sufficiently qualified to predict and ASD dx.

mycarscallednev hugs. It's shite. You do IME get used to it but what other option is there. That and antidepressants for a huge quantity of carers, anyway. Message me if I can help X

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devientenigma · 21/03/2012 22:11

thanks thelightpassenger, in saying what I said, I have in a way outted myself as there is only one special school in the area and only one child out of that school, so now in a way feeling a little vulnerable myself for repercussions, knowing how corrupt this system can be.

However I also feel the circumstances are dire and it's not just education he is being let down by........it's the pead, OT, physio and salt. He has had no input from any of these in over 2 year. He has always been special school, mainstream was never an option. This a severely disabled child who at 11 is similar to a 2 year old in some ways. He has mobility issues, medical issues that are classed as life threatening as well as extreme challenging behaviour. The fact he has no pead now is a pathetic affair................just like the system.

The thing for me now is, do I ask MN to withdraw my post, do I namechange, or stand by and fight this through??

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