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Are playgroups a good idea in every case?

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totallynaive · 13/03/2012 18:38

Apologies for the long thread. My ds is one year old, and a bit of a spirited child/hsc. He is nervous of unfamiliar situations and sensations, very aware of other people's feelings, and very very gentle. As an example, before today I had never seen him try to retrieve a toy that another child has snatched off him once; he just looks puzzled. He'd never tried to take a toy from another child either, even when it's actually his toy. He smiles a lot at, and approaches and vocalises towards other babies, but especially at toddlers (desperate to learn what they know, I guess). They tend to look away.

He's my first and it makes me sad to see that when I take him to playgroup he just gets pushed to the ground by toddlers older than him, e.g. when he's twiddling the knobs on the toy kitchen or trying to pick up a car on a playtable. Even babies his age snatch things out his hands all the time. It got so bad today that in the end he just started crying because there seemed to be nothing he could start doing without some child coming up to him, taking the thing, and generally throwing it somewhere else without playing with it themselves. There's not a lot of rescuing I felt I could do because a lot of this was happening with me right there, and I felt I couldn't stop other people's children doing their thing. Once they're not on a playmat, it seems the gloves are off. Maybe I'm a bit shy of upsetting other mums by getting a toy back off their child.

Then right at the end of the playgroup a similarly lovely smaller baby offered him a toy and my ds roughly snatched it from him. I could see that he wasn't happy doing this, but it was learned behaviour. He had been desperately trying to work out what it was that he was supposed to be doing for ages, and every time the other toddlers were doing this sort of thing to him, with me there not stopping them. I really don't want him to be learning this kind of lesson at one year old because I think he is too young and I want him to be himself for a while. He's got loads of personality and is really fun to be with, but he saves it for the people he knows and trusts. I know his dad would take him straight out of playgroup if he saw what was happening today.

It's a nice playgroup. The children are normal well-adjusted children. Mums are encouraged to go to them. But I wonder whether this is mainly to ensure we don't get stir-crazy at home. I know I never went to any pre-school till I was three or so, but I was brought up in a lovely big house with loads of kind adults around to play with, and despite being a professional person now I was a very imaginative child with no hard edges. (What a fantastic childhood I had!)

I should add that he's grown out of the playmat area at playgroup because he's crawling and standing confidently (though not walking), and loves exploring boxes and seeing how things work. Most of the toys in the baby area are things we have at home that he's not interested in for long any more, and crucially there are no Fireman Sam fire engines.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 13/03/2012 18:54

Playgroups are a great place to get your corners knocked off... occasionally literally :) They often start like your baby did ie. a little phased by the racket and energy of the place but, pretty soon, they get the hang of it and pitch in. Taking stuff off each other, chasing each other about, making friends, falling out, letting off steam, all normal rough and tumble. As long as everyone is on the alert for serious behaviour problems and not leaping in like vengeful SWAT teams every time a couple of toddlers bump heads over a bit of Duplo, it's a sociable way to learn how to mix with others.

attheendoftheday · 13/03/2012 19:24

Well, there's no rule saying you have to go to a playgroup if you don't want to. I personally think it's a good place for kids to start socialising with each other (rather than just adults) and good for me to get to know the local mums.

To be totally honest, it sounds like you have a bit of a slanted view of your dc as compared to other dc, but it's easy to be that way (as we all love our dc very much!). Small children snatch and grab, they don't have impulse control and need to learn this. You are saying that other children aren't 'lovely' like your dc because they snatch, which your dc would never do, then you talk about him snatching. I don't think your dc will be learning to snatch by watching the other un-lovely children, I think it's what happens when a young child wants something. Also, if the other kids are a little older, you might find that your dc will be doing the same thing at their age.

In terms of coping, if you do keep going, there's nothing wrong with intervening if another child takes something from your dc. Just take the toy and say "dc is using that now, why don't you have this?" and distract them with something else. If it's am item that's in high demand (like a ride on) you could say "dc is having a turn now, it will be your turn in 5 minutes. For now, why don't you..." and suggest an activity. You do have to get your dc off after 5 mins though! Also, it's only fair to intervene if it's your dc doing the snatching, too. As long as you stay pleasant it will be fine.

Hope you work it out.

ipanicked · 13/03/2012 19:56

Aw your DS sounds cute. It's nice to prolong the baby stage for as long as possible before they turn into snatching toddlers (I say as I watch with dismay as this week my own DD at 14m has started biting her brother when he snatches toys from her!)

Have you got any age specific play groups near you? Or maybe a calmer playgroup? It sounds like the 0-18 month ones might be more your DS's cup of tea. Failing that, do you have any mates with babies to hang out with for a slightly less frantic experience?

I think it's tough at playgroup for the little ones when there are a lot of older toddlers around. Even at nursery 1 year olds are segregated from the older toddlers so they don't get trampled on, although I think they get a lot out of being around older kids. Mind you at most playgroups I go to, parents are pretty vigilant at making sure their own kids don't snatch etc and I avoid the playgroups where they don't!

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Purplehonesty · 13/03/2012 20:06

My ds is exactly the same. He is 2.5 now and never retaliates or gets upset when this sort of thing happens to him. He gets pushed around and injured and walked all over and he just accepts it and goes and does something else.
It breaks my heart too I want him to stand up for himself but he just won't.
Baby judo classes I'm thinking!

Janoschi · 13/03/2012 22:19

To answer your question, no I don't think playgroups are for everyone. I never went to one and so far DD 10mo hasn't either.

I think there are lots of ways to socialise a child. A small group of friends meeting up with 2 or 3 kiddies is one. I take DD to Waterstones once a week to play with the Megablocks in the baby section. There's usually only one or two kids there, always older (ie 3-5 year olds) but they help her build things and she looks at them adoringly. She meets a lot of strangers everyday and enjoys that too so I doubt she's missing out.

Some adults don't like crowds and I think it's the same for babies. Some enjoy the rough and tumble craziness, others just like getting to know a handful of friends and having fun in a quieter space. Socialisation doesn't mean huge groups, it just means helping your baby interact with others. It can be one on one - it's still just as valid.

Just my humble opinion! :-)

Jayney10 · 14/03/2012 12:46

Hmm sorry but I don't like the ideas of littl'uns having their 'corners knocked off' at such an early age. it is when your child is negotiating their way in the world, and seeing that being bullish gets you what you want when otherwise you are a gentle, confident soul sounds rubbish. it would be a learned behaviour and I see it so much in my friends' kids who go to nursery.

My DS has only had a childminder and has none of these behaviours (yet!), I am sure because he is a gentle creature (he just looks confused when other kids are mean to him/take his toys, and cries!) but mostly because I haven't put him in that kind of environment. like the previous poster I socialise with him in smaller groups as he has always seemed overwhelmed by large gatherings (as well a baby might) and anyway, they only really want nearest and dearest until they are 3ish. Then they have pre-school to teach them social skills when they are old enough to compute them and are settled in their own view of the world.

If you think your DS is learning negative behaviours and you are on edge, can't you find another playgroup? All have different personalities and sizes.

good luck, your DS sounds lovely :)

IWillOnlyEatBeans · 14/03/2012 13:27

I agree with the others - playgroups are only worth going to if you and DS enjoy them.

I tried taking (non-mobile, HSC) DS at around 11 months and he reacted in a similar way to yours - I didn't go back!

I did ask around though and found a lovely playgroup which costs a bit more (you pay fees termly like a nursery) but is fantastic. I have been taking DS there since September (when he was 18 mos), twice a week, and we both really enjoy it. The other week he even defended his right to keep a toy when another child tried to take it

I don't think he missed out at all on not attending play groups before this age - we did plenty of other, more structured activities like music classes, gymboree etc, where parents get more involved and therefore keep a closer eye on their DC. DS was much happier in these situations!

totallynaive · 15/03/2012 03:41

Thankyou everyone for the advice. Sounds like some of you also have children who lack the grabbing gene. I'm not sure it's necessary; they'll hopefully find their own way of existing which doesn't involve brute force (or judo Grin). I certainly don't want a repeat of the stuff that led to my posting this.

Ipanicked, I've not heard of any more age-specific playgroups where I live, so the way forward probably is classes, all of which seem to cost a bomb. In the meantime I have decided it might be a good thing if I bring him to his playgroup just once a week and actively play with him a lot more when he's there exploring so I can buffer him from the more assertive toddlers. Attheendoftheday, I'll take your tip on how to intervene gently when parents fail to do this. Going back to my local playgroup will also give me a better chance of making more friends and organising playdates with other babies.

Might well also try Waterstones...

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Ozziegirly · 15/03/2012 05:33

It is hard, I've posted here before about how to deal with older toddlers being a bit "rougher" than my DS expected.

My DS used to get upset when a toy was taken from him, but now he will try to get it back, and I do think playgroups are good for this; learning how to negotiate social situations etc. Obviously if he doesn't like it then there's no point going, but I feel that my son is learning important lessons about waiting his turn for things, the fact that not everything is his and the fact that other people are going to do things differently to him.

Although these are hard lessons for them to learn, I do think they are important ones.

And I do step in if there is pushing, both if it's DS doing it, or having it done to him - I just say (to either child) "We don't push, pushing (snatching or whatever) isn't nice and it isn't how we play" and then try to distract them.

south345 · 15/03/2012 06:09

Do you have a children's centre locally? Ours do baby groups, toddler groups and mixtures, maybe worth a try?

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