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How do you get out of the co sleeping cycle without the cold turkey heart breaking crying?

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JingleBallsAndMistletoe · 27/12/2011 10:21

DS is 26m and used to go down at bedtime perfectly at 7pm, Over last few months has been full of cold, conjunctivitus, chest infections etc etc (hate this time of year) and i started putting him to bed in his cot then moving him to my bed when he woke a million times a night and i needed to keep my sanity.

Somehow its ended up though, him going to bed in my bed and staying there the whole night... I have nothing against co sleeping and a lp so no issues there, but the bugger wriggles about practically kicking me out of bed each night and now i'm losing sleep so defeats the object of co sleeping in the first place.

I've tried putting him back to his cot but his crying is unbearable and i also dont like him falling asleep by hysterical crying(i've managed 10 mins and when i went in he was so worked up, sweaty and snotty it was horrible)

The only way if found that works is rocking him in his buggy then moving him to his cot...but thats not something i want to get into a habit of and also doesnt fix the whole night part of the issue..

I know i'm rambling but please, any advice would be great as would like to fix the issue before going back to work!

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lightwind · 27/12/2011 19:03

No advice, but shedloads of sympathy/empathy. My son is 3.10 and is still co-sleeping. He was a bad sleeper when he was just born so took him to bed to shut him up and get some sleep myself- had no idea that it would be so difficult to break the habit. Now the problem is that he climbs on top of me /kicks me/scratches me/exhibits lots of other disruptive behaviour in his sleep, and I am so so so tired and sleep deprived. What I wouldn't give for 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep. Have tried to move ds to his cot many times, and every time he managed to get back in our bed. Admittedly, I have never tried a really hard-core approach, so will watch this thread with interest. Good luck - hope something works for you.

TheFestiveWife · 27/12/2011 21:37

You have my sympathies. I co-slept with both of mine. DD1 was the hardest to get self settle. DD2 was easier, although was still about 2.5 (roughly around the time she was potty trained at night) when she could self settle and sleep alone. TBH I don't really have any suggestions apart from time really, mine got easier as they got older. Although I did find that them sharing a room helped an awful lot as they were together, they still sleep with their beds pushed together.

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Tee2072 · 28/12/2011 08:05

I transitioned once my son was in a bed. Then I would lie down with him until he fell asleep for a few months and then moved to sitting in a chair.

I still sit in a chair until he's nearly asleep and he sleeps all night on his own (mostly!) now.

JingleBallsAndMistletoe · 28/12/2011 11:14

Hi everyone, Thank you for your replies, good to know I'm not the only one (sorry) I really want to moan about this to my parents but know they'll do the i told u so dance and give me the judgey pants face. The gits.

I've tried turning the cot to a bed but that only lasted a few weeks then i put it back and I have thought about the cot next to bed thing, but would rather him be back in his own room (thinking along the lines of potential man friend running for the hills)

So other than the meany approach of leaving him to scream in his cot i just have to wait it out?.....oh crap!!

Can i ask if its a habbit or a comfort thing?

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onionlove · 28/12/2011 12:08

Hi JB
We are going through the exact same thing, my DS is 2 now and we are expecting DC2 in May so I want to get him into his new bed and bedroom before baby arrives so he doesn't feel pushed out of the nursery etc.
He spends the first part of the night in the nursery then wakes about 1.00 am ish to come in and snuggle with us, not every night but most nights, he likes to sleep horizontally and pulls my hair and pinches and pushes all night, hence no sleep for us.
I think it is a habit, its our fault because he came in with us when he was ill a year ago (I know I know!) and we have made a rod for our own backs with it.
We decided to try to crack it during Christmas whilst we are off work for some of the time but it hasn't been easy, we are on our 4th night now and the worst night was night before last when he was constantly awake between 3.00 am and 6.00 am - otherwise it has taken two or three times to settle him.
We don't bring him into bed to begin with so it may be a bit easier that way, its so sad when he stands up holding his teddy with his arms in the air but I lay him down say 'bedtime' and then put my hand on him and say shhhh if he makes a noise (we do this at bedtime when he goes to sleep). I take my hand away gradually and continue to shhh if he stirs whilst sneaking out of the room trying not to fall over anything or make the floor creak!!!!
I have nothing at all against co sleeping and would probably continue if there wasn't so much monkeying around and we weren't having a new baby.
Its difficult at the moment as he has to get used to something new, I talk to him about it during the day though and tell him he's a good boy when he sleeps in his bed. Its very tiring if we are up a lot with him but hopefully he will begin to get the idea, its a case of having to for us so I'm going to try to stick to my guns, I think its worse if I give in to him then we'll be starting from scratch all over again.
Best of luck
Onion x

JingleBallsAndMistletoe · 28/12/2011 12:26

Thank you onionlove, is ure ds in a bed or cot? So staying in his room till he's asleep could be a plan then? Not sure i could hack it in the middle of the night though, thats how my whole issue started!!

I was hoping cutting out his day time nap would make him so knackered he'd sleep where i told him to but no such luck....

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onionlove · 28/12/2011 13:40

Hi JB,
DS is still in his cot at the moment, I try to leave his room as soon as I can once he is led down, sometimes he is not totally asleep but I think he thinks I'm still there as it is pitch dark in his room, sometimes I call shh him using the talk button on the monitor downstairs too. It is not too bad a couple of times a night, especially at the moment as its not too cold to get out of bed, I have some cushions in his room so I sit on those for 5-10 minutes whilst he settles. The nap thing can be positive or negative, sometimes if my DS is overtired if he hasn't napped it makes him harder to handle, its such guesswork with them. I'm just trying to follow the basic principle of trying to mean what we say and not give in but its tough when they are so cute.......

JingleBallsAndMistletoe · 28/12/2011 14:34

Isnt it just, and i know i'm being a push over i just cant help it!

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BertieBotts · 28/12/2011 14:59

I moved DS out to his own bed at around the same age for similar issues. I'd go for a bed, rather than a cot. Then get in with him until he's asleep and sneak out, just at first, you can always break this habit later.

First I made the bed really exciting, letting him have a bounce, choosing a Peppa Pig duvet, and he was really interested in it. Introduced the concept of bedtime stories for the first time, really. From the first day if I asked him where he wanted to sleep he'd say his bed, which was another sign I took that he was ready.

At first I used to go to him if he woke in the night and feed him back to sleep and lie with him until he was asleep, then sneak out (or fall asleep there myself!) - this was extremely wearing and went on for a few weeks, then I realised it was ridiculous, I wasn't getting any sleep at all, so I changed it and said to him before he fell asleep "If you wake up in the night and you need me, come and find me. I'll be in my bedroom." of course he didn't remember this the first few times and lay there crying, so I called out to him through the house "DS, I'm in here, come through" - okay noisy and probably loud enough for the neighbours to hear, but no more so than him crying. He would come through and usually be sleepy enough to go back to sleep with no wriggling etc.

I found that him having to actually get up to find me seemed to cut down a lot of the wakings, I suspect that he woke briefly a few times and just dropped back off by himself knowing that if he wanted me I was somewhere easily accessible. In fact within a couple of months he consistently slept 12 hours Shock

I also got a lot tougher on the not messing around when I was putting him to bed, any of the annoying behaviour like kicking etc I would stop feeding him and tell him "stop kicking" (etc) after a while you can spot even the tiniest change in their body language which means they're hyped up rather than relaxing (or perhaps it's just DS having only two settings...) and after a while I was able to just tell him "Calm down and lie still, or I will go downstairs." This also applies during stories - laughing at the story etc is of course fine but there's a difference between enjoying a story and being totally hyper, jumping around, fidgeting constantly etc. You of course have to follow through on going downstairs but I would do it in stages giving him a chance to redeem his behaviour, first I'd sit up, then get out of bed, then stand by the door, then go. Just for a couple of minutes to give me a chance to stay calm and him a chance to get the angry screaming bit out of his system. Horrible side effect :( but normally the screaming bit does actually exhaust them and make it easier to get them to sleep when you do come back up.

Anyway the point of this exercise is for him to realise that the wriggly, pinchy, kicky behaviour isn't what you do when you're in bed. I found with DS there was no middle ground, if he was completely still, he was relaxed enough to sleep, if he was still doing something, even just tapping me gently on the arm or kicking the wall, he was too wired still and needed to let go a bit more.

He is 3.2 now and I do still lie with him to get to sleep but it isn't a problem to me - it definitely makes a difference from being woken several times a night! I'm thinking that if I want to change it in the future I could swap with milk first, then stories, and me sitting next to the bed until he's asleep, then either shortening the time or moving further away.

JingleBallsAndMistletoe · 28/12/2011 15:43

Thank you for such long answers!

I've had a think and decided to try something else so i've turned his cot back into a bed and put a stairgate on his door(havnt decided if i will be using it or not, thinking maybe the first part of the evening after i've left him then open it when i go to bed so he can come to me in the night...maybe)

So I'm thinking i will stay with him till he's asleep and go from there as to how long he sleeps for etc etc..

Wish me luck!! Will prob come back tomo to tell you how bad i failed!!!

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onionlove · 28/12/2011 15:50

good luck JB, will look for your update tomorrow, be strong you're doing a good job!!

BertieBotts · 28/12/2011 16:01

Good luck! :)

If you want opinions on the stairgate thing, I just use one at the top of the stairs, I find that is sufficient. I think it will probably be rocky for a while (isn't any change!) but hopefully it will start to go smoothly soon for you both.

JingleBallsAndMistletoe · 29/12/2011 12:37

ok. so last night was a big fat fail. Spent a hour and a half in his bed with him then gave up and put him in the buggy and he was asleep within 2 mins..moved him to his bed and he slept til 12, so i dragged myself into his room got him back to sleep, he then woke up a hour later so i put him in my bed as i really needed sleep.

What a joke. Help meeeeee!!

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BertieBotts · 29/12/2011 14:29

It is really hard at first - perseverance is all I can suggest :( Does he have any kind of sleep cue, do you feed him to sleep for example?

Could you try an earlier or later bedtime? If it's taking that long he's either fighting it or he's not tired.

JingleBallsAndMistletoe · 29/12/2011 16:15

Thank you Bertie, his bed time is 7pm and was fighting it the whole time, His poor little eyes kept going all droopy but he wasnt having any of it, have just clicked that when i stayed with him in my bed it was dark and he has a nightlight in his room so will take that out and see if it makes any difference.

Thank you for letting me talk this drivvel to you all, it really helps being able to talk it over which isnt possible in RL. Thanks

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BertieBotts · 29/12/2011 17:19

Yes good idea - DS doesn't have a nightlight and I close his door so it's quite dark when he's falling asleep.

Try to keep it as similar as possible to how he usually falls asleep in your bed and it might help :)

Murtette · 30/12/2011 21:08

DD would always go to sleep in her bed but ended up coming into our bed sometime between midnight & 2am. This hadn't been a problem as she's snuggle in and go straight to sleep. Just before her second birthday, we had a run of nights where she came in & was wide awake for an hour or so and, once she finally dropped off, was horizontal kicking me & hitting DP each time she moved. After about four nights, I'd just had enough & simply went it when she woke up & tucked her in, sang her her bedtime songs (she has the same three nursery rhymes every night once she's in her cot) & walked out, I had to repeat this two or three times with a cuddle & kiss and then said (for no real reason) "Mummy will come & give you another kiss when you're asleep". That phrase seemed to be the magic formula & works each time now. For the first week or so, she woke at least once each night but now sleeps through 5 nights out of 7, maybe more.
DP & I do have a good cop/bad cop routine going on though so if she's had a nightmare & wakes up screaming or is ill and wakes in the night then he'll go to her & will have one attempt at settling her &, if that doesn't work, will bring her in with us. If all seems well, I am the bad cop who goes in until she settles, usually no more than three times.

I'm not sure if that helps but it can be done! It is bliss having our bed back!

EnjoyResponsibly · 30/12/2011 21:17

DS slept like a log til his 3rd birthday. He is now 4.6.

Initially tried leading back to bed, followed by CC.

2 weeks of him sitting on the stairs sobbing at 2a.m

There followed a compromise whereby he had to go to bed in his own room, albeit with us reading/sitting with him til he dropped off. When he woke, DH would shuffle off to the spare room whilst DS and I shared my bed.

Sept 11 we bought DS a new bed. He picked it, helped build it etc. Some success with all night in it but not consistent.

Lead up to Christmas has clicked it. Helped Santa needing him to be in his own bed.

Key lessons:

Don't force the issue. Sleep anywhere/anyhow better than no sleep
Ensurecin own beds at start of night
Don't be discouraged if grand plan doesn't initially work
Find appropriate carrot
Don't listen to smug friends whose kids sleep.
This too shall pass

SecretSquirrels · 31/12/2011 16:26

I never did.
They stop before puberty though.
Seriously my priority was always to maximise everyone's sleep and it didn't matter who went in which bed.

onionlove · 03/01/2012 13:16

Hi JB,
Just wondering how you are getting on. Our christmas crackdown has had mixed results, last night was a nightmare - DS cried off and on from 1230 until 430 am when DH gave in and brought him into our room, I guess we have had him in with us probably 3 nights out of two weeks. I am disappointed we didn't stick to our guns but we have been so tired. We have decided that we will rotate it so we each get a good nights sleep one night in two. Some nights DS will just take 1/2 hour to settle around 1.30 am and then he'll sleep until 530-6.00 am which is promising but who knows what will happen now! I'm hoping that being back in his normal routine of nursery, naps etc. will help - trying to stick to our guns but its not easy :-(
Onion

lailahappy · 03/01/2012 23:00

Here iam talking about my own experience.With my first DC i was very strict,he was in his own bedroom at 9 month when i stoped BF,and i feel sorry now thinking about it.With my second one he stayed with me up to 3 years old,i must say it is the most enjoyable experience.Hes very happy boy,and he was ready to go to his own bed with his brother,with no tears,he was ready for it without braking hearts.And that is how i was brought up with my mum up to 3 and i still remaimber her cuddles at night.Just do what fells right.
PS: research now suggest children should stay with parent till 3 years old:)

JingleBallsAndMistletoe · 04/01/2012 17:27

Hello again,

Onion i've avoided posting as i've been total pants, I've tried lots and lots of different tactics but to be fair i should do the same one 3 or 4 nights in a row to actually give it a chance to work... I did the put to bed technique..wait for it...17 times in just under a hour before giving up.

I've tried the keeping up til he sleeps anywhere approach but that failed too as he was still awake at midnight(and still up at 5 that morning too!)..Last night after 90mins of him laying there grizzling in his bed and me sitting near and 'shhh-ing' he slept til 11.40 before waking up and coming in my bed, And the night before that he was awake almost every 40 mins!

I dont know what to try now...was his first day back at nursery too so you may be onto something with the back to routine thing, Fingers crossed!

And lailahappy, I wouldnt have a problem with him staying in my bed if 1, he stayed still and didnt kick me in the face/boobs/stomach etc 2. I got a full nights sleep too and 3. I have a potential man friend who i'd only have over when ds is sleeping and if ds is in my bed then....well you get the gist!!

What should i do?!!

Thanks again for letting me rant!

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