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AIBU to feel upset by this?

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toptramp · 10/11/2011 16:57

I have a dear friend and both our dds fight. They are very close friends but they belt each other. My dd is definately dominant and I always pull her up on her behaviour.
My friend will also tell my dd off which I don't mind because I think it takes a villiage. However, she is starting to nit pick a bit over the slightest disagreement whereas I feel; they are toddlers; they are going to argue over friends and toys.
About a month ago they were round our house and I went to the loo. When I came downstairs Lara was crying because my friend told her off. I am not sure what about but she started crying for her dead nanny which she always does when she's upset. She only died in June and she really misses her. My friend said "she's only doing it for attention" Of course she wants attention;she wants a hug from mummy!
Then outside of playgroup my dd said her dd had hit her. i didn't see hwta happened so shruged it off and my friend was quite nasty to my dd saying "no she didn't do it...." It was just her tone of voice; I don't think she likes my dd ; she dosn't have a positive word to say about her.
IMO kids always accuse each other of hitting. Apparently her dd comes home accusing my dd of hitting her; what's the difference. I just feel like my dd is being made out to be the bad one.
Her dd has another friend who they fight over. It's all so childish but recently I have noticed my friend making play dates without including me; it's hardly going to integrate them is it?

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 10/11/2011 18:37

Being a parent means you take your kid's side in the fight. You can't be surprised that your friend doesn't like your daughter if she's always hitting her child. Not even if it's six of one and half a dozen of the other. Toddlers might think it's OK to be fighting and arguing but, as an adult, it's not exactly relaxing watching children getting wound up.... and some kids wind each other up more than others. You can't be surprised that she told your DD off if that's been OK in the past.

I would suggest that, if you want to stay friends, socialise with your friend without the children present.... only engage with the children when you absolutely have to e.g. outside playgroup. When they get older you can get back with each other as families.

pictish · 10/11/2011 18:42

You said your daughter is more dominant, so there's your answer.
Your mate's pissed off with having her daughter belted by yours.
She has allowed her irriatation with the situation to spill over, and now prefers playdates without Thumper to contend with.

That's what happens sadly. If you are unable to stop your dd from hitting, it is going to happen more and more.

toptramp · 10/11/2011 21:07

I don't take my child's side in the fight if they are wrong. I always discipline my dd and pull her up on the hitting. I just phoned up the playgroup and they said that neither my dd or her dd hit each other at playgroup; they get on like a house on fire but that most of the children there are going through a tell-tale phase atm. i am not surprised that my friend has been worried that my dd is hitting hers given their history a sher dd has been telling her these tales. I just see the tell tale thing as an annoying but normal part of growing up.
I'm sure it will work out fine. My dd never seems to hit other kids; just hers. It's so sad as I like this friend a lot but we have agreed to meet up without the kids.

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toptramp · 10/11/2011 21:09

I do stop the hitting for a while; but then it crops up again. Hers does hit back which I don't really have a problem with as it's self defence. I am upset because it has affected my friendship though.

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cheeseandmarmitesandwich · 10/11/2011 21:18

I can sympathise with both of you... I have a friend whose DD is a bit of a pain, she hits, she often upsets my DD by saying you're not my friend etc. My friend does always pull her up on it but it always ends in a tantrum and makes the playdate quite fraught! In fact once I did make her cry by telling her to share, while her mum was in the loo, and I did feel awful even though I didn't do anything wrong. Btw, not that my DD is an angel by any means!

I have found they are much better when we go out somewhere to play, eg playground, soft play etc, as there are less things to fight over! Might be worth a try?

cheeseandmarmitesandwich · 10/11/2011 21:18

I can sympathise with both of you... I have a friend whose DD is a bit of a pain, she hits, she often upsets my DD by saying you're not my friend etc. My friend does always pull her up on it but it always ends in a tantrum and makes the playdate quite fraught! In fact once I did make her cry by telling her to share, while her mum was in the loo, and I did feel awful even though I didn't do anything wrong. Btw, not that my DD is an angel by any means!

I have found they are much better when we go out somewhere to play, eg playground, soft play etc, as there are less things to fight over! Might be worth a try?

tryingtoleave · 11/11/2011 09:39

Didn't you have a thread about this a month or so ago?

toptramp · 11/11/2011 23:40

Yes I did do a thread but it has come to a head as we are getting defensive, upset and argumentative about it. I have realised that I need to sort out dds behaviour. How do I stop her bullying? She's only 3.

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tryingtoleave · 12/11/2011 08:08

I remember asking on the other thread if your dd was only like this with this girl. If so, just keep them apart for a while. Some children just don't get on.

Otherwise you need to stay very close to her and stop her before she hits. It is hard work ( I've been there) and it does affect friendships, unfortunately.

pictish · 12/11/2011 10:03

Hi OP.

I would think it's something that's easily remedied by combining some helicoptering and zero tolerance.

From the outset, when mine were just tiny babies (and I mean babies), as soon as they attempted a slap or a punch, I would immediately set them straight down on the floor with a firm "NO! No hitting!" and walk away from them or turn my back. Of course, they would cry with shock...but they soon learned that hitting/pushing/grabbing/kicking would produce an effect that was negative only to themselves.
I never laughed at them OR lost my temper, I simply cut the behaviour dead. Then I repeated as neccessary.

You can try something similar with your dd. As soon as she strikes out, no matter how gently....you say "NO! No hitting!" and immediately remove her from the situation without another word. Engage again only when she has calmed down and is ready to say sorry. Do not enter into a dialogue about it...do not try to explain why you are angry (because you can do that later after everyone has gone home), do not respond to any pleas for attention or cuddles....until she can say "sorry". Then tell her she is a good girl to say sorry and give her a hug. Then it is over and done with. Till the next time.

Don't be drawn into "they are both as bad as each other" type of reasonings either. It matters not what other toddlers do....your only concern is what YOUR child is doing. Neither should you justify it as something that "all toddlers do" - they don't. Mine don't, owing to the consistency of the technique I have described...and I certainly don't appreciate other kids who do. Habitual thumpers are a pain in the arse.

It IS normal toddler behaviour, but it is NEVER to be tolerated, dismissed, or laughed at. Zero tolerance.

toptramp · 13/11/2011 20:25

I do understand; I don't understand why I feel so defensive about it. I think i feel like a bit of a failure about her hitting.
She dosn't hit any other child; just this one which is upsetting; of all kids I want her to get on with my friend's child.
My friend also feels like my dd muscles in on any other friends that her dd makes. Sad How can I deal with this? She's not deliberately isolating her is she and why target this girl in particular if she is?

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toptramp · 13/11/2011 20:29

I have always pulled dd up on the hitting but my friend remembers it and she dosn't quite forgive; I wouldn't either I think.

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MCos · 13/11/2011 22:59

Look at it this way - you are feeling defensive of your DD, and she is the hitter.

Imagine how you would feel if she was the one constantly on the receiving end.

My DDS are several years older, but I still feel defensive if some other kid is constantly causing them hassle. I stay out of it, but it still does put my teeth on edge.

All you can do is keep the two children apart for now. And hope they will click better when they are older. And maybe they will, and maybe they won't.

MCos · 13/11/2011 23:00

Should have said 'protective' rather than 'defensive'...

toptramp · 14/11/2011 15:24

I am defensive though; as it makes me feel like a bad mum. I was such a timid little thing. I don't want dd to be timid, I want her to be confident but I don't want her to be a bully.
I have sided with my friend and I have asked her to help work on this together. I can totally see her pov. If someone was hitting my kid I would be fuming.

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