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worried about dd1's only friendship

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fridakhalo · 21/11/2005 10:54

in the past 3 years for various reasons we have had to move house 3 times, including moving from city - country, from country to another city, and then back to the first city but in a different area. All this has taken its toll on all of us in different ways, but I think on my 7 yr old dd most of all. She claims to like her new school, but has chosen as her only friend the one child I would have loved her to avoid. This child is emotionally very very needy, disturbed, and immature, and I really dislike my child's association with her. I have tried to see the positive in this child, but I am afraid the negative really outweighs. She adores my dd and showers her with presents because my dd is the only one in the class who is nice to her. this in itself I find really sad and a bit sick. At first when dd started the new school she made efforts to mix with a large group of girls, and I do invite different girls home to play each week, but the friendship has now evolved to the extent that people refer to them as a double act. I have to work very hard to hide the horror on my face, and I KNOW my dd is aware of my dislike for this child..

Apart from encouraging her to try other friendships, what do I do? what is worse is that next year the classes are being mixed up and we have to fill in a form to name our child's best friend. I would LOVE for them to be split up next year, but noone else will write my dd down as her friend.

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baka · 24/11/2005 20:31

Of course you can encourage new friendships but you can;t force other children to make friends! A controlling friend for a few yearsis often better than no friend (especially for girls where the whole best friend thing is so rife).

fridakhalo · 24/11/2005 20:48

yes me too I think I've talked myself out on this one. But thank you, both of you.

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christie1 · 24/11/2005 22:33

sorry, but maybe you should trust your daughter more. I have a ds with AS and some of you need to look at what you have written about these "wierd kids". Doing the right thing is not always easy but that is the true test of character is it not. Abandoning her friend when things get rough, what is that teaching your daughter? Maybe your daughter has it right and is being brave and kind. Maybe we adults should follow her lead????????

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wenceslaligo · 24/11/2005 22:55

ooohh christie i wasn't going to post on here again but here i am. you are totally right about the "weird" thing and i apologise for my insensitivity when i posted about the strange kid i knew - he may have had special needs, i don't know, i was only 16 at the time and i hope i would be more mature about him now. but my point is there are children who are extremely difficult to deal with and i was sympathising with frida for feeling freaked out by this child - that is not in itself a crime.

more importantly, some needy/demanding people can really become dependent on another person if they let them, it sounds as if that may be happening here and i think frida is right to worry a little. it should not be for a child to have to deal with a needy person like this on their own. that's all.

christie1 · 25/11/2005 01:40

Your right, and really, only the mom in question is in the best postion to judge whether the relationship is good but I just wanted to give antoher side to the question that sometimes we,
( moms who want the best for our kids) need to step back and before we act. our child may sees something or is gaining something we don't see right away from a relationship. and sometimes, we can teach our kids to be nice to someone who may need a friend simply because it's nice to do it. having said that, if it is hurting her daughter, then, like I said, the mom in question is best placed to make that call. I just wanted to give her another side to it.

MollFlanders · 25/11/2005 02:37

Only just seen this

It's very sad that so many posters here would encourage their child to drop a friend because they seemed a bit wierd.

I really don't see why you dislike this child so much when your DD obviously values her friendship and doesn't have any other friends. I think baka raised a good point when she asked why you invite this child to your house if you want to discourage their friendship. Is it because you don't want your DD to give her up until she's made other friends?

I wonder if your dislike towards this girl stems from wanting to believe that your DD would be popular if she wasn't around. For whatever reason they've formed a bond together and you should accept that. By all means encourage your DD to make new friends but don't isolate the one friend that she has got because she may end up with no-one.

Sorry if this seems harsh but my son is autistic and only has 1 or 2 friends at school. I'd be devestated if I thought that their parents were creeped out by my DS.

I don't really get what is so disturbing about her behaviour anyway.

nightowl · 25/11/2005 03:16

fridakhalo, why do you dislike this girl so much? i dont understand why she "freaks" you out. i met many children i disliked (for bad behaviour mostly) but never one who gave me the creeps or freaked me out. ive got to be honest, the only thing i feel after reading this thread is sympathy for her. i think the fact she showers your dd with presents is sad yes, but not sick. the poor girl is obviously so desperate for a friend, now she's got one she's trying hard to keep her (going about it the wrong way, but that's obviously the only way she knows). you say she cries and looks sad all the time, yet you seem to see her as "devilish?"

maybe i feel this way because when i was young i had no friends. at first because i wasnt allowed to mix with other children, then later because i lived a very isolated life, i didnt know how to make friends, it made me very shy..and to some extent i still am. i only had two friends for years after starting secondary school too and lots of people thought i was "weird". i wasnt wierd, i was lonely. but it only takes one popular kid to make the rest of them follow, if the leader doesnt like you, then the rest wont like you. i was such an easy target for bullies. its excruciating and literally tears you up inside when you know there is nothing wrong with you, that you are a good friend (or rather you could be, if only someone would give you the chance). you do tend to cling, you suddenly get a friend and you dont want them to "fall out" with you.

as a mother, i can totally understand your concerns about your dd, you dont want her to be unpopular aswell, you dont want her to be picked on. I dont think trying to split them up is the answer though, and like someone else said, if you do, your daughter is likely to just want her friend more.

my son also has some problems when he meets people. he went to his school from reception class. he has some learning difficulties and at the moment the general idea with his special teachers is that he is dyspraxic (sp?) although we dont have an actual diagnosis. children who have known him since reception love his "strange" little ways and he has lots of friends. when i changed his school a while back he was not accepted by anyone. i couldnt believe the difference in him. he is a child who has always been full of sunshine yet he suddenly became withdrawn and moody, like a sulky teenager. it only took one big bully to challenge him, he retreated and went into his shell. he was walking around the playground on his own. it broke my heart. The more time he spent on his own, the "stranger" he behaved, almost like he believed he was "different" and started acting that way. after three months of this i accepted it was more than a settling in period and i moved him back to his old school. he is now back to his old self. He does have strange little ways which most people find endearing but he is the most loving and sensitive child you could hope to meet. i would be devastated if i ever heard a mother saying she did not want her child to spend time with him, he couldnt hurt a fly.

anyway, people dont think im wierd anymore (i hope!) (i dont sleep well but im not actually a vampire ). i think you should give her a chance, (maybe your daughter sees something in her that you dont right now?), but still encourage your dd to make other friends aswell.

hope you can find a solution.

nightowl · 25/11/2005 03:20

"I'd be devestated if I thought that their parents were creeped out by my DS."

snap moll, you posted while i was taking an age to write mine, "i would be devastated if i ever heard a mother saying she did not want her child to spend time with him, he couldnt hurt a fly."

think we're on the same wavelength!

baka · 25/11/2005 08:56

I agree christie- just spent the last 2 days trying to pick up the pieces for a young adult who has never fitted in.

Whilst I can understand that intense friendships can be scary I think it is normal for young girls to have them. I've never really belonged to any particular group, but have had individual friends from various places. Many very very diiferent from each other. Diversity is good.

If the little girl here doesn't like her friend, or is creeped out by her, then surely she will move on at some stage. It may just be that she likes her though, and she may remain friends with her as well.

Not sure what's so great about being popular- lots of the "popular" kids I remember from school were right gits (and I wasn't some weirdo on the fringes- some of my friends were popular, some weren't).

Nightynight · 27/11/2005 10:04

I didnt want to post this earlier in the week because I was in the office. I am in one of these "friendships" at the moment. At least, I would be if I hadnt wriggled loose and set firm boundaries.

This woman wants to be friends, she is in her mid 30s and unmarried and evidently lonely. I like her as a colleague and respect her knowledge. But, in our friendship, she always wants to have the advantage, to the extent where she will abandon something rather than show that I have more knowledge or experience than she does.

She has given me loads of things, but it is very hard to get her to accept any gift in return. This puts me at a permanent disadvantage in the relationship.

Whenever we do anything together, she always takes the lead by force. Instead of arranging stuff together, she goes on the assumption that she is the leader. She cannot say "Let's meet at x." She will say something like "I will pick you up at x." when both of us are on foot.

She has also identified many areas in my life that could be improved, and has given me advice on how to improve them, which is basically doing the same as she does. In the children's friendship that frieda has described, I would say that the equivalent would be Frieda's dd playing a game where she pretends to be her friend.

This friend of mine has also commented on what she sees as my character flaws - she has told me that I am weak, not tough enough, and that I let people walk over me. (Well, I don't win every time, but that is largely due to dx dumping so many of his battles on me at the moment, and having to deal with everything in French or German.)

One of the areas where she has tried to establish superiority is in knowledge of German (we both work in Germany). She started by translating things for me, until I had to be firm and tell her that I understood them perfectly well. However, I am almost sure that the reason she has not signed up for the free German classes that are a benefit offered by our company, is because she would not be placed in the advanced class, but instead in the intermediates like me, and would thus show that her German is not better than mine. She has gone to great lengths to try and persuade me that it is.

Now, she is not a problem to me because I have had experience of this sort of thing before, and am old enough to get out of it. But I think that Frieda's daughter's friend sounds like a junior version. I do feel sorry for this child, but, at the same time, I think Frieda is right to be concerned about the relationship. Her dd could be made to feel that she is inferior, and undermined in many ways. What Frieda has described is not just billy-no-mates, but someone who has no friends because she doesn't know how to treat them.(I was billy-no-mates at primary school myself)

I think I would definitely try to make sure that they end up in different classes. That way, they can still be friends, but at a distance from each other. If the friendship becomes a burden to Frieda's dd, she will have some space to back off.

CarolinaMoon · 27/11/2005 13:48

Nightynight, you've got a hell of a lot more patience than I have! I really can't stand being treated like that and always back off from being friends with that type of person - I'd genuinely rather be alone.

It's just difficult advice to give about a 7yo. In an ideal world her (i.e. Frida's dd's friend's) parents would recognise the issues and try to help her identify where the boundaries are, but I doubt Frida could do anything to make that happen without causing major offence, sadly.

Nightynight · 27/11/2005 14:43

carolina, it is partly that we are work colleagues, so I dont want to offend her, but I have backed off considerably. I am currently jobhunting in another country - but it is not totally down to her! I would rather slide out gracefully that way, than tell her outright what her problems are. dx says that is because I am sly.
I think it is hard to give advice that will really make someone change though, and very easy as you say, to give offence!

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