red book and immunisations..

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Hello, have also posted this in childrens health

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Is it possible for the nurse to have not noted down the mmr on my sons red book? she's logged the Hib/Men C but not the mmr or pcv..

I am pretty sure he had multiple injections that day. does the Hib/Men C consist of multiple injections?

GP is saying they have no record of the mmr, he's now 2!!

What should i do? can they test if he's had it?

What happens if he has it but has already had it??

Not very happy about this tbh as I was sure he had it at the time and defo not happy its' taken the GP a year to write/advise me!!

Can anyone please help and advise.

He has a tummy bug right now so no chance of having it this week if he hasn't had it.

crap!

Until recently the MMR and PCV, and the Hib/Men C were given a month apart.

Is it possible that he had his Hib/Men C (which is a single injection) and not the other two 4 weeks later?

thanks sidge for reply. no we did one visit and if memory serves me ()
he had 2 in one leg, 1 in another, it was a stand in nurse then. i've just spoken to the practice nurse and as it was never logged it will be forever he never had it and i cannot ever be 100% sure he's had it, so he's having it done (again) next week, fx no side effects my poor baby... not ideal but what do else can i do? sigh

Hmm, usually they are given one month apart, the schedule has recently changed so that we can now offer all 3 jabs at one appointment.

It's very difficult if they didn't record it accurately and I would ask your surgery to phone Child Health and confirm what he's had, and when, as you would like to confirm his imms. Child Health keep records as supplied by the surgery - at ours we have 4 places we record imms; in the red book, on an imms card to go in the paper notes, on the computer and on the green form that goes to Child Health.

If they gave imms and didn't enter them on any of those records then their record keeping is poor and it should be brought up with the GPs and practice manager. It is a nursing 'offence' not to keep accurate records so it needs to be brought to the PMs attention.

It's better for him to have it (and have an extra one) than to have none. You can have blood tests done for immunity levels but some labs will charge the patient for this and one could say that it's "better" to have an injection than a blood test. But it's still crap

Hope you manage to resolve it.

unfortunately this is the surgery!! they haven't logged it as done. i've just spoken to the nurse again and like you say she's said its better to have the injection than the blood test.

thing is, when i first called up and spoke to the receptionist about the letter she let slip that they had a nurse last year who wasnt very good and they had to let her go!

nothing i can do now, except have him have it again. she's given me a specific appointment which i suppose is better than have to wait for baby clinic.

i also asked when the schedule was changed and she said this past year, so unusual for them to only do the 1? but still this doesn't confirm my ds has been immunised...

thanks again, appreciate your time.

With both my kids (5 year DS and 19 month DD) I have to sign a consent form for all jabs. They detail exactly what they are being given and confirm that the nurse has talked through the possible side effects.

They also write down the batch number from the phials of vaccine in the red book. And also where they have had the injections (right arm, left leg etc). I can't believe that a nurse (even a stand in one) would forget to do that.

I know that I hate my kids having injections and wouldn't pay that much attention myself to what they were having - but I do know about the consent forms. Have you asked the surgery about those??

better to have an unnecessary immunisation than a blood test to check immunity ?

i'd go for blood test (and have done with HR at work and lo and behold I am immune!)

SweetKate I have never had to sign a consent form even for my 4 year old, we turn up at baby clinic, give in red book, then get called... we're in London.

However, red book they do note down batch numbers and site of injection.

I remember the nurse saying ds was done until he was 3. So I can't believe that either, but its happened, its taken them a year to contact me and my fault I should have looked at his book when I left, but I didn't, we were at the peak of sleep deprivation at that time.

Obviously I'm now anxious if he hasn't been vaccinated.

YuleLogLady I so know what you're saying, but nurse quoted great ormond street docs advising to immunise again rather than blood tests... and for me the choice is 3 or 4 vials of blood vs 2 injections in the thigh!

Theyul
Have you ever try to draw blood from a toddler or a young child?
of course if less traumatic or risky to do an injection!

but unnecessary? each to their own but I'd rather know and be sure my child needed something before they had it.

The problem with the blood test also is that some children, even with the immunisation, don't get much if any antibody response with the first injection, hence the need for the booster with the preschool vaccs. So the OP could get the blood test for the levels but it may not show one way or another whether he was immunised.

If the doubt was over whether he had had his PSB then the blood test is more valid.

Children require 2 MMRs anyway so even if the first one is given twice it's not a problem, and a third wouldn't be more likely to cause side effects as far as I am aware.

But I think heads should roll at that surgery!

Thanks all for chiming in. I phoned the surgery twice today and nurse called me back both times within 15/30 mins, so gave me the impression they are taking this seriously which is good at least.

I'm 99% sure multiple injections were given, but without it being logged what can I do? I have a responsibility to my Childs health even if errors have been made. Doubt the surgery would admit anything or Investgate that nurses record keeping... Or even if they have it still doesn't help my ds.