baby has eczema after 1st immunisations, dr says its because we hold baby too much!! - advice?

[Dhosonia]

not sure where to post this.....

think its a parenting issue

He had the following last week

At two months old:

?Diptheria, tetanus, pertussis (whooping cough), polio and Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) (DTaP/IPV/Hib) - one injection
?Pneumococcal infection - pneumococcal conjugate vaccine (PCV) - one injection

and a few days later slowly has come out in a red raised rash across his chest and down his arms... doc says its eczema ...i believe clearly its from the jabs... has this happened to anyone else???

What can we put on other than dr precribed emolient???

Dreading second course of jabs, incase they make it worse - can anything be done to avoid and have single jabs?

Pls read the contents of the link below - distressing evidence of ppls real life experiences with jabs etc - any advice greatly apppreciated - last thing we need is this worry - wife had forceps delivery/epistiotomy wound/infection/tissue granulation - and is still in immense pain awaiting reconstruction surgey. Thx to any that reply

www.whale.to/v/eczema.html

Poor you and your DS. Does he have any other symptoms, such as nasal congestion, increased vomiting, anything else? It may or may not be related to the jab, you see.

FWIW did your gp actually say you hold him too much? If so I'd ditch your gp. Seriously, that is loony.

Fraid I don't know about the side effects of jabs but hope someone else here can help
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I do remember your first thread, about your wife's health. How's she doing these days? Did you get any joy from that midwife yahoo group?

hi.the eczma ; i have been to a talk by a well known homeopath ( TREVOR GUNN; brighton) who has written books on this subject; and i have been to his talk ;

the injections contain toxins ( mercury) which have to be there as a carrier for the virus..the amount given is way over what the body can cope with-even for an adult; and the body reacts by pushing the toxins out throught the skin is the liver cant cope with processing them. often the child will also develop asthsma too. we have chosen not to immunise for this and many reasons. i recommend getting this guys book before you go any further!money / drugs as ever is big business and many drugs cause more problems than they solve

p.s and i agree with the above comment; CHANGE your gp, not intelligent

Oh for goodness sake enough scaremongering. Mercury, or thimerosal, was taken out of all baby vaccines in 2004. If you are going to 'choose not to immunize' at least make sure you have the right information.

There are certain private doctors that offer single vaccine for baby jabs. Where do you live?

I can't comment on the connection between jabs and eczema as I don't know myself, but my DD had eczema from birth and these things helped for her:

*change washing powder - I use surcare
*give oatmeal baths - put oats in muslin cloth and tie it to the tap while waters running
*Avenno(spelling?) cream seemed to work well
and E45 isn't bad either (we used Avenno cream around 2-3 times a day)
*dress your DS in 100% cotton and wash new clothes before using them

Hope some of this helps, I know your DS is still little and not weaning, but when DD stopped breastfeeding I gave her goats milk instead of cows milk and it worked wonders!

Also I would be persistant with GP(or another if you change) and ask to be referred to a dermatologist and that way you may be able to find out if it is an allergic reaction or not. It took me a long time to get my GP to refer me instead of just handing out steroid creams.

I hope you get some answers and find something that works for your DS

There's nothing scary in emollient creams, you can put them on him without worrying. It's the steroids which actually work have the active ingredients.

Have you changed your washing powder or started using softener lately? My Mum did this when I was a child (to a biological powder) and it looked as though I was wearing a red vest!

Change GP.

Don't worry about the eczema too much. Eczema in babies is terribly common and often resolves before long.

I'd use the emollient. IME it can knock eczema on the head very quickly. If it doesn't, get a referral to a paediatric dermatologist.

No it's cos of the imms not the cuddling. But you know this.

I would delay the second lot.

Ask an expert not random cyber strangers about the immunisations. A mild rash is not a reason not to immunise against potentially fatal diseases and you shouldn't rely on herrd immunity.

The dr probably was meaning it is eczema and overheating may have contributed to this. Cuddling will make the baby warmer. Not that you can ever have too many cuddles!

yeah, it's probably the immunisations, by the way -

How interesting, my ds has developed a rash/ eczema soon after his first jabs. I had never thought to link the two. He had quite a bad reaction straight away, his legs swelling and he ran a temp for days. Ds has been prescribed emollient but his skin has got progressively worse since. I'm very interested in this, please do update as you know more!

dd1 ecema increased after her first jabs. with dd1 i followed the jabs scedule, and each time her skin would react.

with my other girls i have delayed alll their jabs. dd4 has only just finished her baby jabs when she was 18months old. and is still to have her MMR.

My two middle children both suffered from bad eczema from birth; DS2 was hospitalised at three months old and wore wet wraps until he was three.

After much trial and error, I found that soya milk helped him a lot. I ended up putting Nesquick in it to make it more palatable. I know that's no help now, but it might be something to bear in mind once your child is older.

I swear by Lush's natural goodies; they worked a treat on both of them. Dream Cream was a lifesaver, as was a bath melt called Ceridwen's Cauldron. It's loaded with oatmilk and comes in a little muslin bag that has oatmeal at the end. Once it had melted into the bath water, I used to squeeze the excess water out over DS2's skin.

It's possible that it's something other than the imms - my dd developed a milk allergy at two months (and before any vacs) which caused eczema and cradle cap so keep an open mind re the cause. Ask for a referal to a dermatologist.

Meant to say that if your wife is breastfeeding exclusively she could try cutting milk out of her diet. If milk is the problem you should see improvements within a couple of weeks.

You can't know for sure what is causing it. If you're concerned I would look at your DW's diet. DD is allergic to peanuts and was having a reaction to all the peanut butter I was eating to get me through the sleepless nights.

my title threads are ridiculous upon reflection i need to stop the daily mail headlines (mid wife shrieking in terror was another favourite) .... have tried to do as much research as possible to poster above im not seeking medical advice on here just other ppls experieneces as the official party line from everyone - W.H.O. Gp's vaccination advisorial commitees, vac manufactures (merk gsk etc, nhs, national guidelines by the government etc there is no link between eczema and any vac so any connections to onsent of eczema after vacs from other concerned parents if genuine could possibly help one in weighing up the risks of vac to risks of auto immune disorders, anyhooo my sons eczema gradually got worse everyday only keeping him cool and exposed to fresh air and diprobase kept it from inflaming too much - its not cows milk he has been on combination since birth and no eczema prior to vac - had to resort to a mild steroid cream applied twice a day as we developing lesions and within 2 days it seems to have all gone completely will keep emoliating him and putting on steroid cream on any flared areas if they reappear - have delayed his second jab have apt with halvorsen to clarify individual jab schedule and if anyone has read his book it mentions an alternative nhs schedule which you can obtain from your gp

on another quick note did anyone children flare up with eczema etc after second 5 in 1 jab - i mention this as my gp said that as he s already had his 1st vacs he should be desensitised and have a milder reaction???

Tap water messes up my dc's skin as our water is so harsh.

The jabs seem to cause a little excema, but in general the more baths they have the worse their skin is.

I was going to try a slightly bonkers experiment bathing them with mineral water but never got round to it and now DS is almost 4 he tends to have showers.

And it is nothing to do with holding a baby too much.

They are mildly hysterical Dhosonia!

What do you mean by "combination" re the feeding? (not asking for any reason, I just didn't understand).

Haliborange - I assume the OP means combo breast and formula feeding. Formula is made from cow's milk - so presumably the eczema would have flared up prior to this, if that was the cause.

Please correct if I'm wrong!

But eczema like asthma can first present itself at any time....no?

Do you have a history of auto-immune or allergic disorders in your family, Dhosonia? In retrospect, would you have said that your child was particularly at risk for bad reactions to jabs? Or is eczema totally unexpected and unusual in your extended family?

am pmsl at holding baby too much! What a ridiculous concept - sounds like my mil!

granted, being warm makes any skin irritation worse, but jeezo!

wrt immunisations, they can make any existing condition flare up (like ds's reflux) but this is usually preferable to the hideous diseases that the vaccines protect aganst.

Don't believe anything you read on here though - consult someone who knows about vaccines - and I don't mean a homeopath snake oil peddlar.

ds developed eczema around the time of his first jab but tbh he had dry skin from birth
he went on to be fairly atopic child , allergies ,asthma but at 8yrs now his eczema has gone.
He had all his jabs ,albeit he had mmr late.

We used .5% hydrocortisone cream on ds when he was teeny baby with no problems, it was only think that worked.