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OMG Have I done a terrible thing! I'm Shaking

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Kidstrack2 · 13/06/2005 13:53

I have just shopped my sisters ex man into benefit fraud! Its a long story but I feel he has really deserved it! He undermines my family as we don't have a car and we don't go on many holidays, but thats because we are a low income family paying all our taxes for him to claim full benefits and work on the side! Oh I get soooo angry at him.

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ninah · 15/06/2005 11:44

Crikey no Misdee
I work bloody hard - legally - and don't take a penny from anyone

ninah · 15/06/2005 11:46

Maybe if we were to stand up to these people and say to their faces what you are doing is wrong and I am going to report it?

WigWamBam · 15/06/2005 11:47

Ninah, if you saw any other criminal activity taking place you'd report it, surely? Why is benefit fraud any different?

Libb · 15/06/2005 11:47

I agree, keep it quiet because it could cause bad relations for you and your sister. Can I ask why she didn't think about it?

This kind of scenario is a bugbear for me right now because I am trying to get into the system through the proper channels and am getting nowhere. All I want a place for my DS and I to live but I don't know how to play the game, still each person's situation is different.

HappyDaddy · 15/06/2005 11:47

What's so wrong with shopping them? If they stole from you, you'd tell the police, right?

I agree that the system should work better but until it does, I'll work with what we have.

MrsDoolittle · 15/06/2005 11:48

This makes me mad too. I work hard too and we're skint, I don't pay my taxes for some other bugger to live the high-life!
It true it is seedy, but it's the only way unfortunately!

rickman · 15/06/2005 11:48

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MrsDoolittle · 15/06/2005 11:50

I really don't care why they report them, aslong as they do!

snafu · 15/06/2005 11:50

Ninah, I do know what you mean about 'the government encouraging us to rat on one another'. It's not a nice idea, certainly. But I don't think it is a case of two wrongs not making a right. I think there's only one wrong in this situation.

Libb · 15/06/2005 11:50

But Ninah, not everyone has your integrity and boldness. Lets face it, these people are not honest so why be honest with them? sometimes you have to scoot under the gates and make the chickens run!

nutcracker · 15/06/2005 11:50

I agree. My next door neighbours job is two carboot sales a week, yet he is on the social.

He has just brought a new wide screen tv, leather suite, car and had a holiday.

My dp works full time and we are struggling to even buy food lately, makes me so

MrsDoolittle · 15/06/2005 11:52

Love that - "scoot under the gates and make the chickens run"
I'm going to use that.

edam · 15/06/2005 11:54

Sort of agree with Ninah about shopping - makes me uncomfortable.
OK, this man is a waste of space, but the whole idea of shopping implies there are lots of people abusing the system, makes no allowance for people who are desperate and singles out people on benefits as somehow worse than middle-class people who play the system. I don't buy the line that because I pay taxes I'm somehow morally superior to people who don't.

There are plenty of white-collar people fiddling their expenses and tax returns or fare-dodging - and wealthy people who employ experts to avoid paying their fare share in taxes. Why are there no telephone helplines to report them? Why are there no advertising campaigns warning them of dire penalties (apart from fare dodgers)? And how many middle-class people have paid tradesmen in cash - basically conniving at tax avoidance? I'm no saint, I've paid cash too, but it makes me feel that I'm in no position to shop anyone, IYSWIM.

I know people on benefits, and it upsets me when they are portrayed as scroungers. And I know what a struggle it is, especially if you are single and don't have kids - a lot of Gordon Brown's benefit reforms are aimed at families. That's a good thing, don't get me wrong, but people without kids get far less help. You can just about survive on benefits day to day - but how do you cope when you have a big expense, like your heating breaks down? AFAIK you get a loan which is deducted from your benefits - but benefits are already what our society defines as the minimum we need to live on! I can't really blame anyone who is struggling to survive and fiddles the system a bit out of desperation.

Of course I don't like people who exploit the system because they are nasty, or lazy, but I'm not convinced they are the greatest evil facing society.

edam · 15/06/2005 11:55

doh! 'fair' share in taxes...

Libb · 15/06/2005 11:55

right with you Nutcracker, I work full time and have my DS to look after - I don't see the system jumping through hoops to help me like these wotsits.

I don't think I shall post anymore because it works me up too much [sod angry, more like grrr!]

rickman · 15/06/2005 11:56

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edam · 15/06/2005 11:57

good point Rickman.

edam · 15/06/2005 11:58

not agreeing with me, btw, hadn't seen your latest post when I wrote mine! I meant the one about primary motivation for many cases of shopping being spite (not that that applies to Kidstrack2, more a general point).

expatinscotland · 15/06/2005 11:58

Well done! I shopped an international student who had loads of money saved up back home, but was just being cheap - and violating her visa.

You've done the taxpayers a favour.

SaintGeorge · 15/06/2005 11:59

edam - surely if those who are defrauding the system are weeded out then those who genuinely need and deserve benefits will be better off. They are currently getting tarred with the same brush which is unfair.

I agree with you about the white-collar tax dodgers.

jambo1707 · 15/06/2005 12:00

Kidstrack

Your sister should contact inland revenue direct to get back her child benefit.

Does she get benefits or tax credits???

She will get more money that is hers for the children, daddy deserves sfa

Libb · 15/06/2005 12:01

Okay I lied. Edam, I really like the points you have made, I have never claimed benefits until now and I will fight anyone who says people who do are scroungers - I made a lifestyle mistake by thinking my relationship would work.

However you have to admit that there are people who take the mick and don't do much to hide it either. I am amazed that the Government even have to resort to others "shopping" them.

Certainly the system needs a good shake up and sorting out, I personally hate seeing the woman opposite me getting away with what she does - because dealing drugs, hiding people under warrant and claiming everything in sight is okay.

Tissy · 15/06/2005 12:06

but people who employ accountants aren't avoiding paying their fair share, they're paying someone to make sure that they don't pay more than their fare share. Accountants are supposed to work within the law as it stands (granted there are some who don't), and if there are ways to limit the mamount of tax an individual pays it is the law that is the problem, not the individual.

I don't imagine anyone says, "well I don't need my Child Benefit, I'll not claim it"- the law says we should have it, so we do.

I think it is fair enough to tax high earners more, but whilst there are loopholes you can't blame people for using them.

expatinscotland · 15/06/2005 12:07

Well, gees, Edam, how do low-income working people cope when they get a big expense, like their heating goes out. They have to get a loan probably at much higher interest than a crisis loan - and pay for it out of their already sorry income. Then they have to worry about paying rent b/c their rent isn't paid fully by housing benefit.

Damn right it gets my dander up when folks defraud the system, I pay for that out of already very skinny wage that doesn't allow for holidays or other luxuries.

ninah · 15/06/2005 12:09

in any other criminal activity you report it giving your name and with the possiblity of being called as a witness, tho

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