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Waterbirth article - mental, right?

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hunkermunker · 13/05/2005 20:56

DS was a waterbirth and this man is mad, IMO

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lockets · 13/05/2005 21:34

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hunkermunker · 13/05/2005 21:34

I hear you're skinny Dinny - Lockets has been talking

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dinny · 13/05/2005 21:36

ha, I wish. skinny compared to when I first met Lockets (ie. a month post-natal) but sadly massive compared to pre-preg (this time, don't want to even think about the difference between now and BEFORE pgs! ARGH!)

hunkermunker · 13/05/2005 21:37

Before pregnancy? No such body, IMO. I could not possibly have been as gorgeous as I imagine I was or I'd have had people stroking me as I walked past (not just on the Tube, where it happens anyway).

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dinny · 13/05/2005 21:39

I know - keep thinking I was a supermodel pre-preg (well, I was compared to now!)
hey, HM, some advice - Ned bit me about five times yesterday. Laughs when I tell him no. What do I do??????? Sorry, completely off-topic. Hope you don't mind.

hunkermunker · 13/05/2005 21:49

Never never mind off-thread posts - make them often enough myself so can't really complain!

DS bit me several times when he was teething. I tried:

pulling him in to my boob to block his nose and make him more likely to let go to breathe through his mouth - so the theory went... He clung on with the couple of teeth he had, growled and bit harder - it was like feeding an angry puppy!

rubbing teething gel on his gums to make him less likely to want to bite for comfort, with limited success.

giving him something cold to chew on before a feed, he hated that.

feeding him with one hand millimetres away from his chin and watching him closely. As soon as I saw his mouth shape change in an "I'm just about to bite you" fashion, I grabbed hold of his chin, pulled it down, pushed him away from my boob, tapped him gently on the nose and said, "No!". This last one was the one that worked for me, but the others might work for you. The other thing to do is to put him down and refuse to feed him, although if you're predominantly feeding him at night, this might not be the way forward...

Never smile, even if he grins at you. But I'm sure you don't, as it's not bloody funny to be bitten on the nipple! Good luck with it - I found it lasted a couple of days, but was soon over. The anticipation's the worst bit though...

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hunkermunker · 13/05/2005 21:49

Off-thread?! Am a loon. off-topic

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lockets · 13/05/2005 21:57

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dinny · 13/05/2005 21:58

Loon.
Happened to be at GP's today and told her aboout him biting and she said it was time to give up bfing. That'll get your goat.....

hunkermunker · 13/05/2005 22:02

Gah. Goat well and truly got

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JulieF · 13/05/2005 23:10

As soon as I saw who wrote the article I had no need to read any further. He is well known for trotting out loads of unsubstantiated rubbish. He is paid by the paper to produce x amount of words on x subject on which he is not a specialist.

Idiot

Pruni · 13/05/2005 23:11

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pixiefish · 13/05/2005 23:20

'It is splendid to fulfil some naturist dream, as a birth pool does'

What on earth is he going on about- naturists dream- my ar@e. Only a man would say that. Wanting to be in a pool has nothing to do with being a naturist- what a pathetic silly little man. What a silly editor for allowing this to be printed.

I personally didn't have a water birth but I did have a bath half way through labour and it was such a relief and so soothing.

(If it was about being a naturist then giving birth naked would do the job- not that i'm saying that giving birth naked makes you a naturist)

At best most mothers will have very little on during labour and birth

highlander · 13/05/2005 23:27

this guy quoted one paper which is a case report, not an epidemiological study. What he forgot to mention were the thousands of uneventful waterbirths that happen all over the world, every day.

what a twat.

mears · 13/05/2005 23:28

The man has not obviously witnessed waterbirth. Women are instictive - they know whether they want to get out of the water or not. They know what 'feels' right.

An epidural affects the normal course of labour and also had an effect on the baby.

Water does not impede well established labour - if anything it helps it progress. It can actually identify where there are problems. A labour that does not progress in water may highlight a poor position of the baby or indicate that the baby will not pass through the birth cana. Odent refers to the 'pool test' in his book on caesereans.

Water allows women to adopt positions to help the baby pass through the pelvis - shoulder dystocia is actually less likely. Women lying on a bed are more likley to have a dystocia because the sacrum cannot move backwards to make more room for the baby's exit. Hoever, I have to say that when we have had a couple of instances of shoulder dystocia - the women have already felt the need to leave the pool.

Women can know instictively where they need to be.

The man is an ar*e.

hunkermunker · 13/05/2005 23:48

Mears, you put it so well

And as for being a naturist - I wore an old nightdress throughout DS's birth - harboured thoughts of remaining dignified... Yeah, right, managed till the mooing stage!

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dinny · 14/05/2005 06:13

ha ha re mooing, Hunkermunker!

v interesting that women know instinctively to get out of water if they need to. I just really didn't want to be in there after 5 mins. Remember thinking mw wld be annoyed at having filled it up!! Yeah, right!

dinny · 14/05/2005 06:16

oh, and thanks for the advice re biting, hm - ds refrained from it the last 2 feeds, so maybe it's passed...

flamesparrow · 14/05/2005 07:40

What a w@*ker!!!!!!

The thought of a bloody huge needle being shoved in my back terrified me more than labour pains or motherhood itself, regardless of whether it could take my pain away!!!!!

I loved my waterbirth, and think I was probably much more relaxed than I would have have been had I been on my back in a bed.

That child has been in fluid since day one, and as long as the water is the right temperature, then to my mind it is the most gentle way to bring that child into the world.

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