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The boy in the striped pajamas!!

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mummyloveslucy · 17/05/2009 20:20

Oh my God, what a fantastic film! If you haven't seen it yet, you must.

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EyeballsisonaDietAgain · 17/05/2009 20:27

OK, speaking as someone who works in Holocaust education, please please read the book instead. The two don't compare and the book is far superior. In fact we're banned from mentioning the film as it puts everyone in a bad mood!!

lockets · 17/05/2009 20:34

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thisisyesterday · 17/05/2009 20:36

i disagree! hate the book. haven't even bothered seeing the film.

we had a big discussion on how crap the book was on here a little while ago lol

OhYouBadBadKitten · 17/05/2009 20:39

I saw the film a few weeks ago with dd. It prompted me to get the book which I started reading this evening. In fact I've only logged on for a few minutes so I can get back to it.

lockets · 17/05/2009 20:45

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mummyloveslucy · 17/05/2009 21:22

I'll be buying the book then.
I do love films though. I thought the boys acting was amazing, they were so sweet.

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mayorquimby · 17/05/2009 22:06

can i just ask a question about the book to anyone who loved it and read it.
how come they make plays on words which are english such as mixing up "auschwitz" with "out with", it just doesn't make sense to me, and "the fury" for the fuhrer.
it really annoyed me,and i know it's pedantic because if i wanted it to be accurate the whole thing would be written in german, but if i've suspended disbelief to the point where in my mind it's basically been dubbed or translated, these play on words no longer make sense as the characters would surely be talking german. unless the german for fury and out with sound similar to their english counterparts.

BigGitDad · 17/05/2009 22:09

Eyeballs what do you do then? I only ask as I have an interest in that kind of thing and did visit Auschwitz a couple of years ago.
I heard a review of the film and it said that the story is an unplausible one in that the situation would have never been allowed to develop. Is the book different then?

thisisyesterday · 17/05/2009 22:12

no, the book is just the same

the main reason i didn't like it was because it was so implausible

lou33 · 17/05/2009 22:17

yes it is a great film, i watched it will all my dc's and they were silent the whole way through

MrsEricBana · 17/05/2009 22:18

I did find it (the book) very moving but I agree it is just not plausible that the father would not have talked to his age 9+ children at all about the camp, even if it were just to tell them to keep away from the fence.
Yes fair point about the plays on words - off to pedants' corner with you!

MrsEricBana · 17/05/2009 22:19

How old are your dcs Lou?

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silkcushion · 17/05/2009 22:23

I saw the film and sobbed throughout - I liked it

EyeballsisonaDietAgain · 17/05/2009 22:23

BigGitDad I work in a national museum which has a Holocaust Exhibition. I'm still waiting to go to Auschwitz - I was supposed to go in 2007 but was pg and had to bail out. Am waiting for them to ask me again...

retiredgoth2 · 17/05/2009 22:24

....the story is implausible.

I think it unlikely that an extermination camp would have been so lightly enclosed and guarded, which was essential for the essential conceit of the story to work.

However, this does not matter. The stories of many films that convey truths are basically implausible. Slumdog Millionaire is also implausible, but a splendid film about hope, love, family and friendship.

...the Boy in the Striped Pyjamas is about those things, too. It is also about incredible, industrial cruelty, and about evil. True evil, within the living memory of my parents.

...it is a fable, a shocking, and very well made one at that. It would be an ideal way of starting debate with your teens....

I had considered showing it to the more thoughtful of my urchins, but watched it myself first and decided it was best to wait a few years. I found myself crying watching it (I was drunk. This may not have helped) and think it more powerful than other films on the same subject, Schindler's List for example...

(Schindler's Ark was a fine book, though...)

....I await the film of The Book Thief. If done properly, that could be a fine thing....

retiredgoth2 · 17/05/2009 22:26

...two 'essentials' in the same sentence.

Sigh.

...I'm off to Pedant's Corner for a (well deserved) ritual beating.....

thisisyesterday · 17/05/2009 22:27

but unless you have previous knowledge of the holocaust/concentration camps then the whole story is meaningless.

I know that "out with" means Auschwitz. but others, particularly children (anbd it is a kids book isn't it?) wouldn't necessarily.

i just found it all a bit, i dunno. pointless? it just wouldn't have happened. a bit of historical accuracy wouldn't have gone amiss. there's artistic licence and then there's just plain fantasy.

MrsEricBana · 17/05/2009 22:28

Oh I think you'll find more than one pedant there

MrsEricBana · 17/05/2009 22:31

Wouldn't say it was a kids' book - yes about 9 year olds but def not for 9 year olds.

mayorquimby · 17/05/2009 22:33

plus wouldn't the jewish boy have been killed on arrival at the camp. i thought that any of the jews in concentration camps where murdered if they were not able to be put to work.

thisisyesterday · 17/05/2009 22:36

so you think the book is aimed at adults?

in that case it's just bloody patronising!

MrsEricBana · 17/05/2009 22:39

No, I think it's aimed at teenagers who have studied the holocaust at school plus adult readers, but not younger children no.

retiredgoth2 · 17/05/2009 22:41

.....Mayorquimby, yes. But it's a fable!

If all art was dismissed on the grounds that 'that would never have happened!' then we would be denied many fine and profound things....

.....It's A Wonderful Life, rubbish, eh? Whoever heard of an angel coming back to review a righteous banker's life?

(the angel I can believe, but the righteous banker? Do us a favour...)

....and Picasso. Really. I mean no-one looks like that, and that guitar would never play....

There is a difference between work that is done as historical record, and that which uses a conceit to reflect upon it...

....even in a subject area as recent and raw as this one, I think that conceits are acceptable...

(there is more than one pedant? Crikey)

thisisyesterday · 17/05/2009 22:41

i dunno, the 10/11 yr olds at the primary school we visited for ds1 were reading it.

so I assumed that was the age range it was aimed at, but could be wrong!

i still think that if they're learning about the holocaust it would do them better to use a much more accurate portrayal of it

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