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Rhubarb · 09/04/2003 09:58

There, now I can be all miserable without hijacking anyone else's thread! Custdy mate, wanna join me? We can be miserable together!

I hate pregnancies!!!!

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sobernow · 11/04/2003 22:34

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Clarinet60 · 11/04/2003 23:13

I don't live that far from you Rhubarb, so I'm available for practical help.
I hated my early pregnancies too, so know how you feel. Hope you start to feel a bit better soon, keep posting, xxx

Tortington · 12/04/2003 00:39

soz matey, didnt realise there was a thread for being completely miserable as am like that anyway on every bloody thread - i cant compete with your misery - and dont intend getting pregnant! which is a shame as i was quite enjoying indulging in a sea of misery - you were always better than me at everything, YOU always have to go one better!
you know where i am love you v. much and will be offended if you dont lean on me ( even if you dont need to - patronise me!)

anyway enough of that soppy bollox - am off to be more miserable

miss you xxx

tigermoth · 12/04/2003 09:50

rhubarb, since I read your post earlier I have been thinking about you. I know you came out of a very bad time and wanted to share the experience to help others - I looked at your site a while back.

I never suffered from that type of deep depression when I was pregnant, but some of what you went through rang a small bell for me.

I have a big non maternal streak running through me. Even in my twenties I never wanted to get married or have children and felt really sorry for those of my friends who had settled down. I saw my grotty flatshare, my lack of car, cash, steady boyfriend and serious job as great advantages compared to the shackles of husband and proper mortgaged home. They had babies, I had evening classes - and I knew which one I preferred. This feeling subsided a little in my thirties but was still there and, as I've said on other threads, I became pregnant with reluctance and pessimism. I was missing my freedom even before it was taken away from me.

My pregnancy was 'easy', so was my baby son. But both dh and I decided to stop at one - especially when my son became a demanding litte toddler.

However, as I approached 40 I had second thoughts - thinking of our small family and how my son would be the only one remaining when dh and I died. Also I didn't want ds to be the focus of all his parents and grandparents attention - too heavy a burden. And, well, I found I actually liked being a mother. My dh was not at all sure about me doing this U turn, but he realised I wanted to try very much, so he said OK. We decided to give outselves six months to try - leave it in the hands of fate, give ourselves a last chance - then it nothing happened just get on with our lives. As the end of the six months approached I happily reconciled myself to having no more babies. I felt totally at peace with the future, a future with one child. Thought about getting my coil fitted again. We had given things a chance. Then at the end of the sixth month my period didn't happen. I was shocked, felt no this can't be happenning to me, not now please. I saw my lovely one-child future slip away. I blamed myself, felt really low. Remembered the saying, 'be careful what you wish for, because you might just get it.' I felt fate had played a joke with me and I was not amused. Kept waking up and hoping it was a dream. And what's more because I was the one who had pushed for a second, I had to put on a front, be positive and happy about being pregnant again, make light of my worries to friends.

I did lots of hard thinking about my life and decided I had to change other things in it, in order to feel happy about this pregnancy. I deliberately used the pregnancy to force through big changes. I persuaded my dh that we had to move to release capital in our house so that I would be able to take a good maternity break from my full time job, and stop running my market stall. In the meantime, I passed more of the market stall work over to my dh. Admittedly my dh didn't need much persuading over the move because our house was so small, but whereas moving had been an idle thought on his part, me being pregnant put a deadline on it. So we got out the paint pots, mended and decorated, and put the house on the market. In other smaller ways I began to take a back seat in the family - I talked to dh and we approached his parents, asking if our older son, then aged five, could stay with them while I was in hospital. They were reluctant at first, thought he was too young to stay hundreds of miles away from his parents - but I said how difficult I would find it having to cope with both baby and son, so they agreed and my son had a lovely holiday with them.

When my second son was born, he was so beautiful to me. He felt like a special gift. I spent the days in the maternity ward staring into his eyes and answering calls from the estate agent who was selling our house. Looking after son number two was a doddle compared to son number one - I only had to relearn things, not learn them from scratch. I knew far better what was serious and what was not. It is so stressful having to feel your way all the time and such a relief when you don't have to. Familiarity made a huge difference and I really second Monkey's post about two being easier than one.

And all these changes were for the better, and I felt my pregnancy had made them happen quicker. It gave me a sense of control in my life, against the shock news of the pregnancy. This helped me feel more positive about things and look more happily to the future.

Everyone has their own story, rhubarb, and since I haven't suffered with pre or post natal depression, I won't presume to know what you are going through or whether making changes in your life is appropriate or possible right now. But I wanted to tell you my story in case it some small way it helps you, as I know your story has helped others.

Rhubarb · 12/04/2003 22:32

Thank you all. I had to read this then go away for a while before coming back to it! It kinda restores your faith in humanity when you come across such kindess and empathy. WWW, I will email you, thank you. I would like to thank you all individually, but cannot. You've all shared your personal and darkest moments with me and you'll never know how much that means to me! It's a real relief to know that I'm not alone in feeling like this, and that even those whose pregnancies are planned, like WWW, get days when they don't want another child!

Annonymouse, I'm really sorry about what happened to you. I know from this one, and the last, that I too had dark thoughts of wanting a miscarriage, but know that I would have been devastated if that had happened. You are very brave to admit that, and I hope all is well with you now.
Custdy, I will phone you xxx.
I don't know what else to say really. I am getting symptoms now, trapped wind that keeps me up at night, nausea in the evenings, light-headedness. And right now I have a very annoying cramp in my leg that will require paracetamol soon! WWW did well in writing pretty much what I am thinking and feeling right now! At the mo I can only see the negatives in having two and being pregnant, but I know there must be some positives out there! As Custdy will tell you though, up here we don't like being positive too much!

I am overwhelmed by your thoughts and feel like Catherine Zeta Jones in her gushing Oscar acceptance speech! I hate pregnant celebrities by the way! See, whenever I get emotional I use humour to get myself out of it! Why can't I just blub and tell you all how much your posts have helped me, and will continue to help me through this? And when I am sat here typing away, with another little baby sucking the life force out of me, a picture of contentedness and calm, you can all rightly say - WE TOLD YOU SO!

Thanks all. Look out for Best btw, I'm in it this month!

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Rhubarb · 12/04/2003 22:34

Oh Tigermoth, thank you so much for your post too, your advice has made me think that I should focus on future plans. Use the pregnancy positively. I hope mine has a happy ending too!

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gillymac · 12/04/2003 23:41

Rhubarb,

I've only just found this thread - I haven't been on mumsnet much recently due to work being so busy - and just wanted to say that I'm thinking of you. I too felt very depressed whdn I found myself pregnant with dd2 - second accidental pregnancy - in fact the only thing that kept me going was that I had it in my mind that as soon as the baby was born I was going to leave my husband and children and get my life back! That sounds terrible now and obviously I didn't do it but it was how I felt at the time. I think it was a sort of "get-out clause" that made the pregnancy just about bearable.
As well as wishing you all the best, I just wanted to let you know that no matter how bad things feel now, they will get better for you just as they did for me, I know they will. My dd2 is now 12 and although I won't deny that things have been bl*y hard, financially etc, there have also been lots and lots of good times too and now, despite the unhappy start, I wouldn't be without her and love her dearly.
Also, strange as it may sound, I have also gone on to have a third child (planned this time).
I know that everyone's different and your situation isn't mine but I just wanted to wish you lots and lots of luck and to say that I hope everything works out for the best.
Take care.

suedonim · 13/04/2003 08:05

I just want to add my best wishes, Rhubarb, and hope everything turns out ok. I had severe PND after my second baby (and looking back, I think I was also depressed antenatally) but it didn't recur in later pregnancies. Thinking of you,

Sue

Philippat · 13/04/2003 13:14

Just wanted to say that the rhubarb/custardo friendship shines out of mumsnet - in idle moments I've often wondered about your friendship, as you're both such interesting people to read in different ways. You've got the best support network, don't feel bad about using it (that includes us too).

Rhubarb · 13/04/2003 16:23

I started bleeding today, at a Christening would you believe? I also have abdominal pains. I'm booked in tomorrow for a scan but I know it's gone already. Thanks for the support.

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oxocube · 13/04/2003 16:28

Oh Rhubarb, I am thinking of you and hope you are coping. I read your website yesterday and was very moved by your honesty. I have been in the position of dealing with a pregancy which was entirely unplanned: I guess we all deal with it the best way we can. Lots of love and I'm sure lots of Mumsnetters will be thinking of you. xxx

tigermoth · 13/04/2003 16:51

Rubarb - hope you can find some equilibrium amongst all this, and come to terms with the scan result, whatever it is.

suedonim · 13/04/2003 17:20

Oh, Rhubarb, you must have so many diferent feelings churning around at the moment. I hope you can find comfort in the support here on Mumsnet and maybe from others in RL, too. Take care.

Tinker · 13/04/2003 17:35

Rhubarb - not a nice position to be in. Hope you can make some sense of all that has/is happening.

sobernow · 13/04/2003 18:31

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Empress · 13/04/2003 18:47

Rhubarb - lots of sympathetic supportive wishes to you.

grommit · 13/04/2003 18:49

Rhubarb - thinking of you

SoupDragon · 13/04/2003 20:56

Thinking of you too,
hugs

Jimjams · 13/04/2003 21:13

sorry to hear that rhubarb- been there myself, and remember what it was like. thinking of you. we're in the middle of a "disscussion" on the something to share thread, but ignore that, not really important in the scheme of things. hope your night isn't too cacky.

Bozza · 13/04/2003 21:40

Rhubarb you are in my thoughts too.

WideWebWitch · 13/04/2003 22:01

Oh Rhubarb, I don't know what to say, I'll just add my sympathy.

Twink · 13/04/2003 22:07

Rhubarb I guess you'll be a whirl of emotion at the moment, I really hope things work out in the best way for you and your family.

I had 2 early miscarriages back in the 'I never want any children' days and despite the feeling of total relief, I was still very upset for reasons which I couldn't logically understand. Women seem to be very complicated beings...

Thinking of you, especially tomorrow. xx

Angiel · 13/04/2003 22:20

I know we haven't spoken before, but I am thinking of you. xx

GRMUM · 14/04/2003 07:46

Sorry to hear this Rhubarb.Take extra special care of yourself.

mum2toby · 14/04/2003 08:17

Rhubarb - my thoughts are with you.

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