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Should I convert to a Mac....convert me?

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KatieMac · 09/04/2005 07:39

Over Christmas my hard drive died....virus related
I reg get annoying blue screens - that mean I turn off & start again
My dad has got a horrendous virus and been out of action for 2 days..still not fixed (and his clients pay him hundreds a day - so he has lost a fortune)

I am considering a Macintosh......but know nothing. My brother swears by them...but is in Sweden so it will cost less to ask Q here and discuss the answers with him when I have facts.

Everyone uses Word/Excell etc can they read any Mac docs? Can I read their docs?
Can I still email/mumsnet/banking?
I use MS Money....is there a reasonable alternative (its April - I need to start this yrs accounts soon - well when I've finished last years)?
I'm haveing a website written - will it still work?
How much will it cost me?
Will I need to change my ISP?

As you can tell I'm fairly illiterate when it comes to puters.....so HELP pleease

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Dahlia · 12/04/2005 15:55

We have an eMac and love it - I am not at all technical but all I know is its tons better than my pc at work, much faster too. And dh has just discovered some nifty gadget that enables you to phone abroad for free!

hotmama · 12/04/2005 16:26

Love our ibook. So sexy and has all our cds loaded on so with the harman kardon speakers - its the business. Also as I am an accountant it has all 'normal' software on as well. Buy one - you know it makes sense!

pinkmama · 12/04/2005 16:45

Hi, another huge mac fan here. My brother has just moved over as well, he had a couple of days of feeling slightly irritated, but said it was just getting used to a new system and is now very happy. I went to buy a pc a year ago, but still came home with a mac. Although pcs can be much cheaper you have to buy a lot more software for them, apple seems to come with lots more. I work from home and needed to email word documents, so I did buy ms Office for mac.
I have OSX and it has caused me no problems.

As for old computers, you can recycle them, try www.computer-aid.org or www.tfs.org.uk Have to say not actually looked at either site, just saw the site addresses in a recycling book

TokenBloke · 12/04/2005 17:14

I think its generally accepted that Macs are better than PCs for most things. However, the advantage of a PC is that a lot more people use them - this makes them much cheaper, there is more software available and means communicating / sharing stuff is easier.

I don't agree with the comment about 'better build quality' - this depends who built the PC! Also, the virus thing does not need to be an issue. I am a heavy PC user and haven't had a virus problem since 1993. As long as you install decent AV software & keep it uptodate, you should be fine. You can get free stuff that is just as good as McAffee, Norton etc. (also get a firewall installed & some anti spyware software like SpyBot)

I guess it depends what you do with it. For standard email / web / the odd letter, Macs will be fine. Everyone knows that they are best for graphics editing etc. But if you want to do a bigger variety of things, I'd stick with a PC. They are also a rip off. I could knock up a decent pc for £250, but a Mac costs 4 times this

hub2dee · 17/04/2005 01:29

I used to think SenoraPostrophe was a very sensible poster.

Hi Katie, I didn't see your thread, sorry. You should read the advice I gave Willow in this thread . Although she was thinking about a laptop we touched on many general issues.

As you can tell, there are strong arguments both sides, and I'm not really going to address that as it tends to go in circles.

It's hard to try something new and different, and because Apple's market share is so much smaller, there are fewer users out there, but it's a move you will not regret. Keep a PC in the house to access Web sites which won't play ball on the Mac, or as a gaming machine if that floats your boat.

I became sick of battling against Windows PCs - keeping them sweet with anti-virus updates, different version of spyware scanners, and terminally bored with crashes and reboots. I'll freely admit that users of Windows XP are generally much happier with regards to this than people still on Win 98 / ME etc.... anyway, I left the world of Windows a few years ago, danced breifly with Debian (a Linux distro) and have happily settled with Mac OS X.

Mac minis start at £500. Laptops at about £700. If you're in London, get down to the Apple store in Regent street and you can talk to their sales guys and try the different models for yourself.

FYI: The new updated version of their operating system, called Tiger (OS X 10.4) is released at the end of April. If you order a new computer shortly after this, it will come with this preloaded.

Post any outstanding / specific queries and I'll see if I can help.

KatieMac · 17/04/2005 22:07

Thanks - this combined with a long phone call to my brother has convinced me that I need a Mac....now just to decide which one...how much...and new or 2nd hand?

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KatieMac · 17/04/2005 22:25

Looking at the mac mini ..does it need extra memory? DB says it's important

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Beetroot · 17/04/2005 22:29

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hub2dee · 18/04/2005 08:27

Beety: - sorry to disappoint, but surely talking 'puters is more interesting than talking about 'yet another new advance is foundation powder formulae'...

Katie: Take any Mac to 512MB and you'll be a happy bunny.

NB: Memory from Apple itself can be more expensive than from a quality memory specialist such as Crucial.com

New or 2nd hand ? Your choice. Check e-bay (be careful), or go through apple.com/uk. Price control on Apple bits is unbelievable and it is rare that you'll find anything discounted in a big way, even from a local independent Apple distributor.

I'll repeat the offer to Willow2, My 17 inch PB is available (see Willow's thread for more details).

There's a fun page here from a Mac geek site which attempts to 'guess' when a product range will be updated, so you can confirm a particular model / family doesn't look like it will be updated one week after you buy your precious new Mac !

I would wait till after April 29th as there is a new release of the OS X operating system (number 10.4) which has a pile of new features etc.

If you want suggestions as to which might be best, could you tell me: how many hours per day do you typically use a computer, and what do you use it for. Do you have lots of space in your house / flat / tent, or is space v. v. tight ? Do you have a digital camera / camcorder, a professional interest in music etc. etc. Is there anyone else who will use the computer - do they have any additional needs? Do you have a decent flat panel / mouse / keyboard available from an existing PC ?

Willow2 · 18/04/2005 13:35

just out of curiousity - would a powerbook bought in the states work fine over here (internet and all that)? Talk about a lot cheaper!

Willow2 · 18/04/2005 13:36

curiosity, even

hub2dee · 18/04/2005 13:55

Yes. No prob. You won't get a pound sign on the keyboard, but you just type [OPTION 3] to get it.

bluebear · 18/04/2005 14:33

My dh bought me a Mac mini for Christmas (he works in computers and loathes microsoft)

I was nervous..but it's fab - it second guesses what you want it to do and just does it! and it look's cute too.

bonym · 18/04/2005 15:11

Yes, yes, yes. I was a dedicated PC person for years until I met dh who is an avid Mac fan. I resisted the Mac for ages but now I LOVE it - it is so easy to use, never crashes, people don't write viruses for Macs so that's never an issue, and they look so stylish too!!! . I would never go back to a PC.

bonym · 18/04/2005 15:11

Hmmm - hub2dee - we have a desktop and a laptop Mac and they both have £ signs on the keyboards!!

bonym · 18/04/2005 15:13

Oh -ignore me, didn't read though the thread properly (and have a fuzzy brain from too little sleep last night...)

hub2dee · 18/04/2005 15:47

No worries bonym, and I'm glad all the Mac fans are speaking out and saving the souls of these Windoze users.

Hiya bluebear ! Haven't forgotten about visiting. Not been near you with time to spare. When we're going to be aound, I'll get in touch. Hope the cave is improving day by day !

Bagpuss30 · 18/04/2005 16:04

Just to add to what others are saying really, yes buy a mac - I bloody love mine .

bluebear · 18/04/2005 16:05

Hiya H2D - cave is not improving - we are waiting and waiting for plumbing to be scheduled so that the rest of the work can continue.

In the meantime - I surf using my mac mini (or dh's powerbook )

KatieMac · 18/04/2005 17:21

I spend 1-3 hrs surfing/banking (natwest/abbey/cahoot)
I spend 2-6 hrs wp/excell/advertising
I scan and print loads
I have my own office 4 ft by 10ft...but you can get a lot in

I have a digicamra and would reorganise cd's if it didn't take so bloody long (DH is a dance teacher & having them in the right order would be fab)

Could be significantly interested in your Powerbook....in Nth London on April 30th (sat) with DH & DD

All my peripherals (good word huh!) are bog standard...and could do with updating....but have friendly shop locally.....

Major thinking going on

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hub2dee · 18/04/2005 17:52

Many of my favourite posters are Mac users.

Feel a group hug coming on...

Bluebear: Must be driving you bonkers... hope they get their act together soon.

KatieMac: Thanks for all the info.

OK - surfing - Safari is ultra stable and handles tabbed browsing like a dream. There have been complaints that it didn't handle certain banking Web sites. I don't know if yours are amongst them. In Tiger (the new OS) there is a Safari update that specifically addresses e-banking security requirements and so if it doesn't work now, chances are it will work in Tiger.

Post here maybe another Natwest / Abbey banking Mac user could confirm it works / doesn't.

I spend HOURS surfing per day on Safari with DOZENS of web sites simultaneously open. Total dream. You will be stunned.

Excel available in Mac Office. I have this, it works. I used to spend hours doing complex Excel stuff but these days I don't. It handles Web queries very nicely (which I use) and seems quick and stable with large files. Should be fine. There is a new version of Office for Mac (called 2004). I only have vX (which was current till very recently). I don't know if it has changed significantly.

Ref: time spent advertising - not quite sure which apps you might need / use. Do clarify.

Office is cosy but I bet you love your own space. Laptops mean you can escape to a different room / garden / shed and still be online (if you have WiFid the house). Desktops allow much faster processor speeds and extra hard drives if you need terrabytes of space. (Mine is 60GB I think which is more than enough for me).

I'd probably suggest either - Mac Mini plus reuse / buy screen.

or iMac - all in one sexy looking, not really 'expandable' (ie. with odd PCI cards etc.). No wires needed (apart from power) - has built in Mic, speakers, WiFi option etc.

Laptop - keeps desk very tidy. Can be used abroad / away from home / on train. Compact. Fold away when not needed. My choice. I see them as good value even if they're more expensive initially as I can have a powerful computer wherever.

Can you post digicamera and I can try and google for compatibility ? I've found Macs plug and play instantly with an enormous number of cams. If it didn't you could always plug your compact flash into a little do dacky and suck off the images that way: v. fast). I run a Canon Ixus 400. Plug it in and iPhoto launches automatically and the import is a dream.

Ripping CDs is a piece of p*ss. Visit if you're in the area (whether you want to buy or not) and I'll teach you to rip in 60 seconds. I've upgraded the BIOS on the Superdrive to burn at twice speed (not sure if this is as fast as a current Powerbook. I think it is !). Mine can burn DVDs as well as CDs but must admit have never done this as don't have a camcorder.

iTunes on the Mac is sweet. Your dh will be addicted. I have an iPod if you want to see it synch a CD you've just ripped (only takes 15 seconds).

I will be gutted to see this Powerbook go - esp. if it's before I get my new Mac mini / 12 inch portable for travelling. This big screen has an excellent resolution. and the size is very comfortable for those who spend too long on the 'puter. Highly recommended. The current ones are faster (in terms of Ghz) and have other features. I'll post exact differences so you are clued up whether you buy new / second hand / mine or someone else's.

Are you in Nth London for Pesach ? We're free that day. Do CAT.

I scan with a Canon LIDE35. Ultra slim. Fast. Decent Mac driver. Can demo. Some other scanners are not as compatible. Post your model and I'll google if that helps.

Have a good think. It's a lot of money and a big change from a PC but I think you'll be delighted.

Willow2 · 18/04/2005 18:44

Right, h2d, as my blooming printer is not up to the job of wireless I need to buy a new one, regardless of whether I stay pc or go mac. I need a printer scanner copier type thingummyjiggy - (maybe fax too?) - any chance yoy can recommend one that doesn't cost arm and leg or, failing that, tell me what I should be looking for? I have no idea about printer spec either!!

KatieMac · 18/04/2005 19:12

No ipod (not sure what it is)
camra (£29) Agfa easypix - may need replacing
Scanner - Mustek 1200 UB - ditto
Advertising = 100's of flyers to be printed & a few A4 posters printed & laminated
I really need a heavier duty printer....I've an Epsom 480 - very slow & exp to run

We are up for the MIL 80th B'day ( no I'm not THAT old DH is)

ps before I agree to visit.........whispers 'are you vaguely normal?'

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hub2dee · 18/04/2005 19:13

Hi Willow2, I am not sure what you mean about the printer not being up to the job of wireless.

Can you clarify ?

Essentially you need to figure out if you want a black and white laser or a colour inkjet (or one of each). Can I ask what sort of things you print, by %, and max spend ?

ie. 100 pages per day of which 95% b&w text, 5% 4 X 6 colour prints.

I helped Yorkiegirl in this thread here choose a printer, and you might want to read that to spare my fingertips.

KatieMac · 18/04/2005 19:21

I CAT'ed you.....honest

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