Is it normal in UK English to use "gotten" as past tense for "get"?

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I know the Americans say it, but is it a dialect thing in England? Would you normally say "I have got" or "I have gotten", and is it area-dependent?

I have never knowingly said "I have gotten" - I am from the SE, London/ Surrey area.

Brummies do it (except me!) it's a horrid word.

No.

No, but I think that it used to be -- i.e. that since the British English / American English split it's the UK that has moved away from the previous common standard so far as "gotten" is concerned.

Not here, always got.

no.

Americanisms are catchimg though.

that's amazing - I was thinking how very odd it is to say 'sat' as in I 'was sat' at my desk when.. when of course we should say I 'was sitting' - continuous tense, not past tense, and then there is the word "horrid" - which of course is a big no no after the 5 year old mark.

"Gotten" is in the ha'penny place on MN I'd say!

oh no zazen, horrid is one of my favourite words, despite the childish connotations.

yes, I have noticed this "I was sat" or "I was stood" thing too - but have a feeling that is in quite common usage in Scotland? Could be wrong, I'm sure some Scottish people will come and tell me if I am.

I think it is 16th century english.

I use it

what else would you say? I have got? Sometimes that doesn't scan right, esp if there is a vowel starting the next word (eg "I have got used to shopping a boden sounds wromg to me. On more than one level)

Here is my test of whether a word is ok to use in any given context. Does it make sense? Does it get your idea across? Yes? Well use it then.

I love that English is such a diverse and inclusive langauge, and that in my own lifetime, it has changed.

and horrid is a great word.

It's not an Americanism, it's archaic English which was dropped here but continued being used in the States.

I would never use "gotten" - I think it is an Americanism.

But "horrid" is a great word .

eh? Whats wrong with a word being an Americanism?

Am lol at you all really, worrying about whether a dialectually appropriate thing is coming out of your mouth.

You say "I've got", FillyJonk.

No

Nothing wrong if you are an American. But it sounds very odd when people mix up words from different regions/dialects/registers in one sentence.

Have you ever heard a foreigner who has learnt standard English in the classroom with RP suddenly use some really out-of-register expression he/she picked up in a shop/pub etc in the middle of a business presentation?

I hate the word "gotten" and "We done it".Don't care if it is dialect- it sounds wrong

It seems to be dialectically common to say "we was going out" round here near the Estuary but it doesn't make it correct English grammar.

I think kids need to realise that although it might be more acceptable to say this it would not be acceptable to write it (unless writing dialogue in character.)

english is a constantly evolving, hugely inclusive language.

I do feel uneasy criticising how people speak, no matter how obliquely.

I say "gotten" out of habit as I have several American friends. I expect they have soaked up a lot of Britishims.

What is this "correct English" anyway? There isn't some dusty book somewhere with a list of words you are allowed to use.

And has now been pointed out several times now, gotten is an old, English word.

I don't see why it shouldn't be correct to write "gotten".

You people speaking RP and/or insisting on correct English-you do know that YOU are just speaking a dialect, don't you? Albeit one that is associated with social power, and so one that people often aspire to. And for this reason, one that is usually taught in schools and considered "correct".

But its no more "right" than any other dialect. The only helpful test is whether people understand what you are saying.

What about just using 'I have' - no got or gotten necessary?

That wouldn't make sense i nall cases, Dweezle

I think "gotten" = "become" in English English

I have a lot of sympathy with your view, filly. Though a part of me is less keen on that argument for Americanisms just because I think it's nice that english varies so widely and it would be a shame if we all started using the same variants. The Starbucks effect is a worry- you know the way all High streets look the same these days?

no. But if you have an American accent you'll get away with it!

Nor burgalarize. Just thougth I'd get that one off my chest. I really hate that word.

Envisioned, gotten, surveilled. Just some of the Americanisms I've heard lately.