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Samaritan's Purse asking children to create Christmas boxes - anyone heard of them?

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edam · 12/11/2008 20:00

I'm a little uncomfortable about this charity using the school to promote their work and seek donations from small children because I'm vaguely aware that they have been accused of being unethical.

They are an evangelical organisation, which isn't very clear from the literature they give out, and they've been accused of withholding aid from Muslims and Hindus who refuse to convert to Christianity (including aid from governments, not just their own funds). I'm not sure how accurate this is.

Soooo, my question is, do any MNers know about this charity and what do you think of it?

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catinthehat2 · 28/09/2009 11:37

Nah, really don't bother, as they say in the best Mafia movies, "forgeddaboudit".

MissClavel · 28/09/2009 11:46

Like many others, I raised this with our head last year after reading the MN threads about Operation Christmas Child. I handed her a print out of the Guardian piece, explained the issues, and she wandered off saying 'I hate it when things like this happen', so I'm waiting with interest to see whether they do it again this year. If they do, I'll take it up with her again.

On the subject of the children, I gave each of them a bigger-than-usual donation to make to Children in Need, and wrote each of their teachers a note saying that it was instead of doing the box because I strongly objected to the evangelism.

I'd be interested in doing the boxes for a reputable charity, and will be checking out the Rotary scheme. My Mum works for the church, and after I showed her the information, she's stopped her parish doing it, and this year they're supporting a local box charity instead

Flibbertyjibbet · 28/09/2009 13:54

Just had a brainwave.... If DS gets upset about not doing a box, I'll get some shoeboxes and just let him and his brother fill and decorate them, then give them to each other for christmas

Charity begins at home and all that!

Oh god have we got Children in need as well coming up?

I was thinking last night that with all the letters home so far in his first 3 weeks at school - bulbs, dinners, milk, craft club, etc etc it felt cheaper when he was at nursery!!!!

I think a lot of you ladies are more assertive than me, I am worried about upsetting the head at this lovely very popular school, I don't know her very well at all.

I might just have to be passive aggressive this year - not do a box and moan about the scheme to all the other parents but not actually make a formal complaint.... (till next year when we'll be expected to fill two of their blardy boxes).

Flibbertyjibbet · 28/09/2009 13:57

Oh and my next question.

The donation.

What do they want our money for AS WELL?? If we are supplying all the gifts and the rest is done by volunteers?

Printing religious stuff to put in the boxes I guess.

So, how stupid do they think I am that I will tick the box on their 'mandatory' donation box that says 'cash' and fill in how much.. and put cash in a box thats only secured by a farking elastic band!!

Am tempted now to fill a box so I can tick cash and enter £65 in the £ boxes. Then put some paper in the envelope with 'YOU WISH!!!' on them

spicemonster · 28/09/2009 14:00

LadyGlencora - as someone else said, Rotary do organise something. Their website (bit rubbish) is here

Pyrocanthus · 03/10/2009 22:32

MissClavel - I raised this with our HT the year before last and received courteous and concerned reply, but the appeal went ahead the following Christmas. We buy something through Oxfam Unwrapped instead - school books for African school seemed appropriate.

theworldsgoneDMmad · 03/10/2009 23:01

My DS's school (C of E) have just sent home Rotary leaflets appealing for shoe boxes

snorris · 04/10/2009 00:02

I brought this up with the head at my dc's First school, she took it seriously but told me recently they were unable to find a scheme that didn't require payment up-front. As a compromise the school is not sending the SP leaflets home with every child but they are there if any one does want to do it. BTW the leaflets are clearer this year about the religious connection.

claudialyman · 04/10/2009 00:40

rotary scheme looks v good on their website. seems a v direct link to eastern european orphanages for example and actually operates all year round, which is a great idea.

one of the best times to fill a shoebox (as well as for christmas)would just after christmas with the extra unwanted christmas presents when we are all sickened by the excess.

amnon · 04/11/2009 12:31

I sent the school this link www.samaritanspurse.org/index.php/Newsletter/october_09/.
The headteacher just phoned me to let me know that they are ditching this outfit, and will redirect any boxes to a genuine charity.

  • Amnon
amnon · 04/11/2009 14:49

read their own words.
www.samaritanspurse.org/index.php/Newsletter/october_09/
Their leader's message is clear enough.

amnon · 05/11/2009 13:43

Polly Curtis at the Guardian is looking into the issue of Samaritan's Purse. She is keen to hear from posters here, anonymously if preferred. Please email her at [email protected]

UKZoe · 09/11/2009 12:39

I am personally involved in Operation Christmas Child and have been for a number of years.
I can assure you that most of what you have heard, from what I am reading here, is not true.

I have packed shoeboxes for 15 years now and have been involved in my local shoebox checking warehouse for the last 2 years. I also travelled with the shoeboxes to Belarus, last year.

We do not insert any literature into the shoeboxes we send from the UK, and this has been the case since the programme was launched in Wrexham in 1990. Our focus now is just the same as our focus was when the program started back then, sending a shoebox filled with small gifts donated by someone in Britain to a child living in very challenging conditions in another country.

I KNOW that some people believe the reason you are asked not to seal boxes is so that we can add literature, but this is most definitely not the case. The reason we ask you not to seal them is because we have to check them. If you have seen an OCC leaflet you will know there is a list of things that are not supposed to go into a shoebox. Each of these is there for a reason, most of them being to do with the customs and excise in receiving countries. Not everyone who packs a box takes full notice of that list and we have to remove any items that are on the no list. This is the only reason we ask that boxes are not sealed by donors.

Shoeboxes are given based on one thing and one thing only and that is NEED! A child, or a location is never refused a box based on nationality, polictical beliefs, religious beliefs, or any other thing that might have been suggested. Boxes are given freely WITHOUT any expectations, without requiring anything of the child receiving them.
I SAW IT WITH MY OWN EYES!

Most often the need is purely poverty, that child more often than not will not receive a gift of any sort at Christmas, or any other time of the year. Other criteria for "need" are those who are now or have lived in war zones, those who have long term disabilities or are separated from their families long term for whatever reason.

I will make a separate post to tell you some of the places we visited last year in Belarus when I travelled with the boxes and explain what the need is over there.

SolidGoldBangers · 09/11/2009 12:49

Zoe: Then why dose SP's own website bang on about the wonders of evangelism and how useful the shoeboxes are for peddling your superstitious crap to the needy?
Sling your hook. Your charity is a nasty fake and sooner of later enough people will see through it to sink it. Oh and you could maybe try keeping the founder's hands out of the till while you're at it.

paisleyleaf · 09/11/2009 12:54

How can it not be true UKZoe? See Amnon's link to SP's newsletter.

UKZoe · 09/11/2009 12:56

When I travelled with the shoeboxes last year to Belarus, some of the places we visited, during our short time there were childrens homes, boarding schools for children with educational difficulties, and schools with large numbers of disabled children.

The children's home was huge, hundreds of children all living and learning in one place, and the building was not in a good condition, if any of your children went to school in a building that looked like that, I am sure you would be horrified. And these children weren't just learning there, they were living there as well.
Only 20% of the children in that home were genuine orphans. The other 80% had been removed from their families because of neglect or abuse stemming from drugs and alcohol.
There is a HUGE problem with drugs in Belarus, with many many families affected.

We spent a whole night with these children, playing and delighting over the contents of their boxes, which I can assure you did not contain a single piece of "literature" of any kind.

The other place I want to tell you about was a school in the South of Belarus.
I am sure you all remember the Chernobyl disaster. Although that happened in the Ukraine it was VERY close to the border with Belarus and the prevailing wind took most fo the fallout across belarus.
Children are STILL suffering, with incidences of childhood cancer up by hundredS of percent! We met some of those children, in that school, severely disabled children who will never even learn to read, whose lives will be cut short, whose living conditions are nothing compared to what you would dream of for your children. And to just spend some time with them, seeing the looks of delight, KNOWING that this was the only gift that child would receive that year, because all their families spare money goes on anything that might somehow help their child, I cannot express to you in words how that made me feel.

Imagine your child, never receiving a gift. Not just at Christmas, but all year. And not just one year, but EVER! And imagine, wanting with all your heart to be able to GIVE your child something of their own, somethign they can love, or play with, but not being able to because your circumstances prevent it. not just make it difficult, but prevent it completely!

That's the situation for a lot of the children who receive our boxes.

We're not bad, we're not evil, we care and we want to put a smile on a small child's face.

UKZoe · 09/11/2009 12:58

That Sp newsletter is the US side of things.
I can only tell you truthfully what happens in the UK!

You can choose to believe me or not, I don't have a problem with that. I just thought as grown up people you would want to hear from all sides of a situation.

I am only telling you what i KNOW to be true, what I have seen with my own eyes.

If I thought for one minute that what you are suggesting is true, I would not be involved. But I have SEEN it with my own eyes.

UKZoe · 09/11/2009 12:59

Oh and as far as the "donation" is concerned that covers the cost of the vans, lorries, boats that take your box from where you drop it off to the child at the other end.

luckyblackcat · 09/11/2009 13:02

So are you claiming the CEO of SP did not make the (published) statements about Islam?

That the photos of children praying over/around boxes from your own websites are faked?

madrush · 09/11/2009 13:09

It's definitely worth mentioning your concerns - I did last year to DD's school and thought they weren't really bothered which made me so cross. This September, however, the management team got back in touch to work with me to find an alternative charity. I'm so pleased I raised the problem with them and delighted by their (belated) response.

For those concerned at being the only one not to bring one in, I believe that DD's school of 300+ struggle to get 50 boxes.

UKZoe · 09/11/2009 13:11

I cannot speak for SP in the USA, only for SP in the UK, and we send to different places!

Any box you give in this country will not end up in the same location as a box sent from America.

paisleyleaf · 09/11/2009 13:15

Zoe, giving shoeboxes is a lovely idea, and it's good for our own children too in that it helps them appreciate how lucky we are. No one's denying there is suffering in the world, the shoebox gifts are a nice thing to do.
It'd just be good if God was kept out of it.

UK:
"Franklin Graham made the nature of Operation Christmas Child totally clear in a note of thanks he sent to the UK Samaritan's Purse:
I want to thank the people of the United Kingdom and Ireland for another year of outstanding support for Operation Christmas Child, the special project of Samaritan?s Purse that shares God?s love with hurting children around the world...............................................................................Wherever we can, we offer the boys and girls storybooks in their own language explaining the true meaning of Christmas - God?s gift of His Son, Jesus Christ. Over the years, thousands of children and their families have opened their hearts to receive Christ as Lord and Saviour.
We praise God for the children and adults whose lives have been changed through Operation Christmas Child. ?We will tell the next generation the praiseworthy deeds of the Lord, his power, and the wonders he has done? (Psalm 64:9, NIV). Operation Christmas Child would not be possible without the help of many caring people who packed shoe boxes, volunteered, prayed and gave financially.
Thank you again, and may God bless you.
Sincerely, Franklin Graham"

CMOTdibbler · 09/11/2009 13:22

Whatever the rights and wrongs of OCC Zoe, please note that with the exception of thyroid cancer (easily treated in this case), incidence of childhood cancer in Belarus has not climbed due to Chernobyl. Belarus has a lot of problems, mostly due to goverment corruption (yes, I've been there), but radiation induced cancer isn't one of them.

Do you not think that buying items locally with donated money is much more efficient anyway ? It puts money into the local economy, saves on distribution costs (which must be enormous compared to actual value of goods), and tailors the items to those needed in the local community by children

SolidGoldBangers · 09/11/2009 15:01

Zoe, no one is denying that it's nice to give gifts to the needy. It's just that sensible, rational people want to avoid a parasitic con job like Samaritans' PUrse, which is not only peddling Christian bullshit and insulting other religions, but whose accounts don't appear to bear much close examination either (the bulk of the money raised doesn't seem to er, actually get to the needy).

BethAndHerBrood · 09/11/2009 19:14

My DS1 got given homework last week, to fill a shoebox and take it to school. I thought it was shocking, and he isn't doing it.

I thought giving the task as homework was disgraceful.

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