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please PLEASE help me with my tearaway 3 yr old DD. Ran right over a busy road yesterday

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MrsJohnCusack · 03/08/2008 11:05

right am putting this in other subjects to catch out all the awkward buggers who probably hide the behaviour bit

has taken me over 24 hours to be able to post this because I am so bloody mortified at my lack of control over her. this could be long and garbled

DD (4 in Dec) has always been spirited but is also underneath it a sweet & quite thoughtful girl. But the last couple of months - bloody hell. She goes through periods of bolting but I thought she was OK again.

however, in the last week or so she has entered a period of unprecedented hideousity. (well, her sleep has been buggered for the the last few weeks, she wouldn't go to bed until I came home from rehearsals/cocnerts - think she was worrying I wouldn't come back0. Now am having trouble getting her into bed even when I am here (have managed tonight after a battle). For the last week, she has mostly been just weeing and pooing in her pants. We are now trying to matter of fact about it and not give her attention but it is GETTING ME DOWN

the other day she ran out of the driveway and into a garden 4 doors down, which was bad enough. I kind of thought she would bolt along the pavement but knew not to go into the road. BUt yesterday, we went for a lovely walk, until she decided she was afraid of a butterfly and ran right over our road. COmpletely ignoring me (as usual) yelling stop. and not stopping until I caught up with her. I was furious and upset, but decided to carry on with my weekend thing of spending time just with her, so we went to playground. She wouldn't leave with me, so I was waiting at the gate. suddenly she pegged it towards the other gate, let herself out (a supposedly semi-childproof latch) and then ran straight out into the busy road, in front of cars, ignoring me, cars had to stop, she ran out from in front of a parked car. AS bad as it can be really. I had a complete panic attack once I'd got her into the car.

She just doesn't seem to get it. It's been explained to her. Earlier in the day, she told me not to stand in the road as 'I might get hurt'. SHe doesn't listen to a bloody word I say. So it's back on the sodding lead for her because I can't trust her, even a little bit, and I don't know when I ever will be able to

we think the last weeks bad behaviour is probably down to DS (nearly 17 months) finally starting to walk, maybe she feels threatened. And maybe the last few weeks down to me having been ill a lot of the time - I wonder if I've worried her.

What I want really, is your ideas. We've done sitting in the corner etc. I don't think she cares. I've done screaming (I know I shouldn't but I am at the end of my tether) and TBH she doesn't care. I've tried taking stuff away - I'm not sure she makes the connection. I vaguely looked at some star charts today but again, I don't know if it will get through.

I feel like the world's shittest mother TBH. To let your child run over a main road - I'm in tears again writing about it. I am finding her so, so difficult. And it's me, and close family members, she's hell for. SHe's an angel at preschool (3 days a week). I suspect it's all for attention but how do you strike a balance between ignoring it & imposing some discipline. And I have spent so much time making sure she doesn't feel left out and we do lots of stuff just for her, and I'm not really sure why I bother now.

this is really long, I'm sorry, but actually I'm in despair and I don't know how to get her to listen to me, even just a little bit.

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MrsJohnCusack · 04/08/2008 01:21

thanks califrau
hope your day gets better

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MrsJohnCusack · 04/08/2008 01:27

oh lol at the monkey link - we're all doomed!

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Shells · 04/08/2008 03:25

Hi Mrs JC. DS1 was a complete nightmare at that age. I found that enforced time out was the only solution then for non compliance (and even that was a mighty battle), but that he was too young for star charts etc.

What I did find effective was trying to talk it all through with him later when he was calm and over it. 'Mummy gets very cross when you run away, do you know why?' etc. etc. and force him to explain it to me. Wasn't the answer to everything but did seem to eventually get through.

Aren't all those perfectly behaved children galling. Their parents don't know how lucky they are! Hang in there.

eandh · 04/08/2008 06:12

mrsjc

No advice but to say I think I have your DD long lost twin here, eveything you typed I could say the same about DD1 (4 IN September) she runs off (althought to be fair last 2 weeks this has got alot better!), bedtimes have gone haywire since preschool broke up (no matter what I do to wear her out and keeping the same routine), preschool she is fine, lovely, angel etc

I also have dd2 who is 18months! They fight like cat and dog but can play nicely sometimes, DD1 resents dd2 in phases

Good luck!!

eandh · 04/08/2008 06:14

oh and my Mum/MIL say that they have never seen such a stubborn/wilfil child (mil says its just her temperant and dh was apparently a very similar child ) but dd2 isnt a thing like her shes so chilled out she practically walks horizontally

WideWebWitch · 04/08/2008 08:07

Oh poor you Mrs JC, that sounds so tough. Zazen's advice sounds good. I would go with immediate consequences too, straight home, no arguments. And get a mortice lock fitted on your doors so there's no way she can just get out on her own.

yawningmonster · 04/08/2008 08:19

mrs jc school really worries me too, not just the tendency to not listen to a word anyone says when he is in 'that mood' but also the bolting thing ie...there is actually nothing stopping him leaving the school grounds except maybe one teacher monitor which he could slip past easily (and he is a cunning wee bugger so would quite enjoy the challenge of slipping past someone and just taking himself off home) If things with him don't improve in the next year then I am just keeping him home until he has matured a bit and I think he will manage a bit better. I am curled up with a stiff drink at the minute as have had a friends wee girl stay for a few nights while her mum was in hospital and I barely survived it to be honest, they usually get on great but whew they were hard work

mellyonion · 04/08/2008 08:37

hi mrs jc.....hope you're feeling a little better today...

just a thought....you say your little girl has been going to bed late.... it certainly won't be the cause of her being lively, but it may help if she is a little better rested? can you go back to basics and get the bedtime routine sorted and back on track so that shes getting more sleep.....

you could implement a new "big girl" routine for bed...whatever suits you and your family....maybe allow her to buy a new bedtime buddy...doll/teddy/blanket whatever and give her a little control back that way....

if you can give her some control where it is safe to do so ie..bath or shower, choice of breakfast, which t shirt to wear etc, she may be more willing to comply with your rules when you are out.....

its so hard! sending you tons of sympathy and support.

x

MrsJohnCusack · 04/08/2008 11:38

yes bed is a big part of it
when I'm here I can get her into bed, but she WILL NOT GO for DH when I am out, which I have had to be alot for work
however I haven't got much on after this weekend for a while so i shall be workiing on it

today I got her back to using the loo (After preschool - she had an accident there) by using the awesome power of stickers - we went and bought some and I explained that she'd get one every time she used the toilet. that worked today so hopefully I can do that for a few days to break the cycle and then wean her off it. We went round the shops with her on the 'lead' and it went fine

thanks for all your advice everyone. She is willful and I can't help thinking I could haev done something differently, but maybe I couldn't. Dunno

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mellyonion · 04/08/2008 11:50

ahhhh. the magic of stickers eh?

how your dh making his own bedtime routine that suits the two of them.... that might work!

i work nights and evenings, so my dh has had to muddle through putting my 3 to bed....he does it very differently to me, but it works, and he's in control!

hand that part over to your dh......its one less thing to worry about.... chin up now. it sounds like things are getting back on track.

mistlethrush · 04/08/2008 12:03

Re the insecurity about younger ds, a friend has just had 2nd ds much to older dd's dismay - dd was consoled alot by friend saying to her that she'd always be favourite dd - seemed to work for them really well.

I can sympathise with running off - I think we would have that except that I use dog training voice on ds when its really important and he knows not to ignore that - don't like doing this in public though ! has a tendency to turn heads, but the main thing is that it keeps him safe.

If she can't be trusted, I would definitely go for the lead - and after a while allow her x amount of time not on it provided that she stays close etc - with immediate removal in case of running off as per Zazen's advice.

laughalot · 04/08/2008 13:54

Mrsjc my ds is/was like this I was still taking him down to preschool up until around 7 months ago with a wrist strap on incase he bolted whilst I pushed his sister in the pram. He is a extremely strong willed little boy and I have had to learn to accept this. I have endless times been texting/ringing my mate in tears because he has been a sod but since he has hit 4 a few weeks back his behaviour has improved no end he had a fab report from school and generally has clamed down. If he does do the occasional bolt I tell him that he has to hold the buggy for the rest of the trip as there will be no treats tv, sweets ect. Have you read the book our spirited child ? I would recommend it to anyone I have just finished with mine and would be very happy to post it to you if you would like.

JuneBugJen · 04/08/2008 13:59

Sorry, going to be controversial here but when ds bolted across busy road for thrid time I paused, though about it, and gave her an fairly sharp smack on the hand.

Have never hit her before or since.

It worked as a one off. She was so shocked she never did it again. In quite a few books they sat this is the ONE exception to the no smacking rule... if a child persistantly puts themselves in danger. A long lecture and sanctions had not worked the previous 2 times.

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