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New! EU wants to forbid forward facing car seats

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MissHH · 25/06/2008 07:03

Read more here:

kidsincars.blogspot.com/2008/06/new-european-research-children-should.html

What do you think? I can clearly understand why looking at that report.

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MrsAki · 28/06/2008 21:23

All volvo dealers should be able to sell and fit a RF Britax Fixway for you, which is isofix.
I have talked to the editor at Which Magazine that said that comment about them being difficult to install. Quite frankly, I do not agree with him. It takes longer to install them, as there are more steps, so you need to read the manual carefully and follow it to the end, but I have not had any problems fitting or moving our seat. It takes about 20 minutes to move it from one car to another though. But I have shown the installation to 2 road safety officers, who said that it was the safest looking seat they have ever seen and they were really impressed with the fact that it does not move an inch, even if you really shake it. It is firmly wedged between the back of the front seat and the back seat.

MrsAki · 28/06/2008 21:25

Basically, as 7/10 carseats are not fitted correctly as it stands in the UK [!!], they are afraid that people are not careful when fitting seats and they are afraid that with a seat that has more steps to it, people will be even less careful when installing them. That is their position, if I understand them correctly.

Pixiepants · 28/06/2008 21:36

Yes, I'm sure they would, but they don't sell many Group 1's. I choose to fit my own once I had had the Isofix demonstrated, as the instruction manual is very clear with loads of photo's and diagrams.

However, my friend who has the 'besafe' and I have a meeting with Bristol councils road safety officer on wed. to show him the 2 different models. We're hoping that he will be able to oversee how these seats are fitted and possibly look into 'clinic' sessions where Bristolian's who are forced to buy on-line or fit their own, can go to check the seats are fitted correctly before carrying their children in them. Will keep you posted.

Obviously a long term goal would be to have fully trained staff in popular car seat showrooms, but for the short term this might ensure that parents are confident that their children are in properly fitted seats.

Pixiepants · 28/06/2008 21:42

x-posts..slow typing. Completely agree with MrsAki...They're not difficult, you just need to allow plenty of time.
Haven't figured out what we do with grandparents etc yet as don't know if they have isofix? Just something we'll have to figure out.

MrsAki · 28/06/2008 21:52

Yey, I love it when someone agrees with me

Pixiepants · 28/06/2008 22:09
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PussinJimmyChoos · 28/06/2008 22:34

Am going to ring the Volvo dealers and see what they say about fitting the car seat etc. Our car is 2002 (Ford Mondeo) but I dug the manual out and it said there are isofix points that a local Ford garage would be happy to reveal or something. Am not sure we would need to do that as am sure Volvo could do it - that is if they are willing to install the seat in a non Volvo car! Need to check all this out!

I'm so angry that the seats are marketed differently in different countries as the issue here is child safety!!! Its appalling!!!

MissHH · 28/06/2008 23:55

We have a seat with isofix and we think it is easy to install

BTW Sweden have used RF car seats for 26-27 years know, I believe.

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Pixiepants · 29/06/2008 07:28

Good stuff PiJC...You'll be amazed at how straightforward fitting is. Will CAT you, but have to set it up first.

Pixiepants · 29/06/2008 08:47

It is shocking that Britax are 'telling' Scandinavian parents one thing and UK parents another isn't it? and

MrsAki · 29/06/2008 12:05

It is also patronising and outragious!

PussinJimmyChoos · 29/06/2008 19:26

Be careful what you say on here though - don't want Mnet with another legal hoo ha!

The petition can be found on www.rearfacing.co.uk

if anyone wants to make their views heard to the Government

Pixiepants · 29/06/2008 19:33

Or here

PussinJimmyChoos · 29/06/2008 19:39

Thanks Pixie...I'm pants at linking!

MissHH · 29/06/2008 20:53

Testing testing

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MissHH · 29/06/2008 20:53
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Pixiepants · 29/06/2008 21:52

That's a really good point about the toy's. I hadn't given it much thought, but keep meaning to make something with toys on elastic to attach to the back seat...will make sure they can't reach her body/head.

The mirrors are great as you don't have to turn your head from the road if you take the odd glance, and are fine for longer when stuck in traffic, at lights etc.

PussinJimmyChoos · 29/06/2008 21:56

We rang the Volvo place in St Phillips today but no luck, so DH will try during his lunch break tomorrow. Am a bit as feel I'm driving (no pun intended!) all this...

DH is Arab and in the M.East car safety just isn't an issue...my BIL told me on a recent trip there (where we took our own car seat and left it there for future trips) oh just hold him in your arms, he'll be fine! I was so mad that when I returned to England, I cut and pasted car seat vs no car seat safety stats...

Oh and I stood by with horror today as I watched DH's mate put his three year old into the back of his car...WITH NO BOOSTER SEAT!!!!!! Just a seat belt!!

MrsAki · 29/06/2008 22:52

While I was filming the piece for BBC South outside my house, someone drove past with a child in a car seat but not strapped in. Now what is the point in forking out for a car seat if you are not going to strap the child in?

Pixiepants · 29/06/2008 23:03

I guess the parts dept. at Volvo is only Monday-Fri.

swallowsandamazons · 30/06/2008 09:10

Look at my rear facing boy in my profile, in his volvo seat, this seat is very very easy to fit.

sleepycat · 30/06/2008 09:22

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boredwithworknow · 30/06/2008 09:44

Here's what Which have to say on the matter -

"Rear-facing seats
In Europe, children up to 13kg (around a year old) generally travel rearward-facing. But in Sweden, authorities recommend that children are kept rear facing until they are at least four years old, and all seats have to be fitted initially by a professional.

In the UK, rear-facing seats are hard to find in and seats don?t have to be professionally fitted.

Swedish research that compared injuries suffered in cars by children under five showed that once UK children change to forward-facing seats, Swedish children of the same age fare better in accidents.

In a front impact, rear-facing seats usually protect well. We know this from testing Group 0+ seats and from testing we?ve done on Swedish rearward-facing Group 1 seats. But we've also found the complexity of straps and brackets required to ensure the seat is secure in rear-impacts makes them much more complicated, and less likely to be installed correctly.

Unless all UK child car seats are installed by a qualified professional, as in Sweden, rearward-facing Group 1 seats are unlikely to become widespread."

melrose · 30/06/2008 10:03

I ahve never heard about this befire and v interested as about to turn DS (11 Months) round! Can someone explain how the luggage effects things though. Just been away for the weekend, with boot full, is this puttinga rear facing child at risk?

I ahve a britax seat (first calss) that faces both qwways, but only ever used it FF as heard it is more dangerous backwards?

PinkTulips · 30/06/2008 11:38

well said sleepycat

our seats for the dc's crippled us at the time and we got them on sale for 100 euros and 120 euros, it was a huge amount of money and we got the absolute best we could afford at the time (or rather take from the bill money and pray we didn't get nasty letters from esb ). 300 sterling is about 450 euros, that's an immense amount of money for us.