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Do you think the Scouting & Guiding movements should 'force' parental involvement?

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miljee · 29/04/2008 18:22

We endlessly read about the incredible burgeoning popularity of Scouting and Guiding (presumably in these days of not allowing DCs out to play alone and unsupervised!) YET parental involvement is like hens teeth around here!

DS2s Beavers draw up a roster for parent help BUT only from those who have agreed to help so my actual 'turn' comes round once every half term tho' I help far more often than that; DS1s Cubs- well, I'm at risk of being put in a uniform I'm there so often! Probably 2 out of 3 meetings! Now I have to say there are several reasons I help: my DSs are not 'natural' scouting material but I really feel what scouting has to offer them is so worthwhile that I go often to 'encourage' them, AND they go 'out of village' which means there's no one from their schools there; also, I don't mind helping as I think scouting and guiding leaders deserve medals for all the time they give our DCs for free. At Beavers, by and large, you're a bit supernumerary- they don't actual NEED the help but they do need the legal minimum adult to child ratio. Cubs- well, you're in there running around, generally having a good time. Oh, and stacks of washing up at both!

MY thing is I believe that the movements should INSIST on some reciprocation in that if you want your DC to benefit from these activities, YOU, as a parent should expect to have to put something IN. God, Akela has had to insist that the parents actually enter the hall to collect their DSs so he can eyeball them and pass on important information! I can't deny also there is also the issue that I think a couple of parents might get a bit of a rude awakening if they saw how 'difficult' their DS is once they're out of supervisory eye-shot!

And OK we could argue we SO have to be involved in EVERY aspect of our DCs lives these days, which is true but I DO feel organisations run entirely by volunteers deserve the help!

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maidamess · 29/04/2008 18:25

Yes I do feel parents (me included) should get involved more. My dd's guide troop does attempt to involve parents..in fact recently they were forced to draw up a rota to ensure there were enough adults at guide meetings.

I think a lot of parents see an evening at guides, scouts or whatever as cheap babysitting or an extra curricular activity.

zog · 29/04/2008 18:26

Both our Beavers and Cubs insist on parents helping - they're put on a rota and that's that. Means we end up helping once each term for each one.

zog · 29/04/2008 18:27

We are also put on a rota automatically for any fundraising e.g. jumble sales. It's a condition of your son/daughter being involved. No help = no place.

FluffyMummy123 · 29/04/2008 18:28

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TheFallenMadonna · 29/04/2008 18:31

Yep. Automatic here too. At least one parent CRB checked and on the rota.

PandaG · 29/04/2008 18:31

we are expected to help a couple of times a term at Beavers...I was kite flying last night. Supposed to help at cubs too, but DH does the drop off and couldn't find the sign up sheet to sign me up last week...must remind him to ask for it when he collects tonight!

zog · 29/04/2008 18:32

Oh yes, we all have to be CRB checked too - another condition of joining.

MaureenMLove · 29/04/2008 18:37

Trouble is, its not always easy for parents to help out, because they have other children to look after.

NoBiggy · 29/04/2008 18:41

mine are too young for this sort of thing, but what if, like me, you would have no objection to helping, but you are shit at it.

I imagine I'd be there on Brownies evening, not knowing what to do, stood there looking uncomfortable and as useful as tits on a boy.

Like at pre-school, really

FluffyMummy123 · 29/04/2008 18:42

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StarlightMcKenzie · 29/04/2008 18:42

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scaryteacher · 29/04/2008 18:44

It's not just that Maureen, it's also what other hats parents are wearing - I don't help out with scouts apart from monetarily as I am chairman and very involved with the running of the Youth Club for ds's school. This is only once a month, but involves entertaining 168 kids on average for 2.5 hours, with very little parental involvement. I have had to threaten to close it down to get people on the committee for next year, as my current committee members are leaving the country and returning to UK.

The problem seems to be to me that people drop their kids and run. I wanted to help out with the scouts' stall at the Christmas Bazaar, but couldn't as there was only 3 of us running the year 7 stall, and so no time for scouts. I think folk are selfish sods for the most part and are quite happy to see a few volunteers doing all the work whilst they bugger off and drink beer!

NoBiggy · 29/04/2008 18:44

If I had initiative I wouldn't have a problem!

TheFallenMadonna · 29/04/2008 18:46

Exactly. Which is why all parents taking turns is necessary. Otherwise it is the same parent, every week...

PeachyHas4BoysAndLovesIt · 29/04/2008 18:47

Used to be a Rainbow Guider

on several occasions we had to send kids home again because parents wouldnt help and we were short of guiders (one of my ex parents on here lol- she DID help).

drove me bats; i used to commute from wales to somerset to run the group (i moved and nobody would take over) and yet nobody would help, even got verbal for being employed and lazy! er no, voluntary!

note I used to be a guider! not any more...

StarlightMcKenzie · 29/04/2008 18:47

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TheFallenMadonna · 29/04/2008 18:49

My post was in response to you SM.

somersetmum · 29/04/2008 18:50

Yes, I think they should. Unfortunately, participation involves a CRB Check, so there are parents who refuse to get checked out and, therefore, "can't" help.

StarlightMcKenzie · 29/04/2008 18:50

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TheFallenMadonna · 29/04/2008 18:50

Quite.

PeachyHas4BoysAndLovesIt · 29/04/2008 18:52

all very well saying independence, but we had the same adult ratio restrictions as nurseries and a shortage of guiders

somebody has to do it! and everybody ends up narky with the guider who is the one person who makes it every week!

brimfull · 29/04/2008 18:58

I used to be rainbow guider

was looking forward to taking a back seat when ds starts beavers but if they're short looks like I'll be helping now

I agree parents should help out more,the more parents that help the more independence the kids can get as their parents will be helping out less

avenanap · 29/04/2008 19:06

I sent my ds very briefly to beavers, the first time he went I had a CRB form thrust into my hand, I was told to fill it in as I would be expected to take the odd club on a rota system. I sent the little darling there so I could have an hour by myself once a week during the evening. This defeated the object so I didn't take him back. And I worked shifts with sick children so I really needed a break.

MaureenMLove · 29/04/2008 19:11

Could you not have done at least one session, Avananap? I understand that it wold be nice to have the rest, but just once a term, surely only amounts to 3 times a year?

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