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What to expect for sentencing at court on Friday?

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Ladieunlucky · 23/09/2024 07:51

Im being sentenced this Friday at crown court. I was charged for fraud under false representation due to a manic episode where I stole money from employers. I have bi polar disorder and was un medicated at the time. I handed myself in when I realised what I did and I have lost all my friends and reputation, butonly what I deserve. This charge is because I was in a position of trust. I have seen a psychiatrist for pre sentencing report.

I’ve been advised the sentencing guidelines start at 3 years, reduced by a 3rd because of my early guilty plea and co operation. Mitigating factors are I have not offended before, early plea and co operation, previous good character, have a 15 year old who I have joint custody with. And also my mental illness.

I am prepared for a custodial sentence and just wondered what I can expect on the day in court, how long it takes as no there is no trial. And what to pack in my bag to bring to prison?

I understand this may be my fate and what I deserve and have never once said I’m not guilty. Please just kind comments as this time is very difficult x

OP posts:
ALovelyCupOfNameChange · 12/11/2024 07:42

Op I truly hope to hear an update from you today. Xxx wishing you love

Rachie1973 · 12/11/2024 07:50

Not seeming positive :(

Makes me mad. All those people released early because of the overcrowding.

Hekett · 12/11/2024 08:01

I have a friend with BPD and it’s scary to see how quickly life could turn.

Hoping your sentence was suspended too, OP.

GingerLiberalFeminist · 12/11/2024 08:18

Wishing you a great deal of luck. I'm bipolar and dread this happening.

I hope your solicitor has commissioned mental health reports. Sentence may be adjourned for those, but more likely to be non custodial with orders for treatment.

Make sure you know a couple of important telephone numbers by heart to put on your list if you are detained.

Your solicitor should confirm today if the sentence is listed, be aware tue courts may not have time tomorrow so it's not set in stone yet.

NetZeroZealot · 12/11/2024 08:19

best of luck to you OP.

Barkingdogbarks · 12/11/2024 08:20

Just to chime in in case the OP ever returns - I agree a custodial sentence is madness, it serves no purpose, the OP having gotten help has so little chance of reoffending. It’s such a waste.
wishing you the best OP

DowntonNabby · 12/11/2024 08:56

Barkingdogbarks · 12/11/2024 08:20

Just to chime in in case the OP ever returns - I agree a custodial sentence is madness, it serves no purpose, the OP having gotten help has so little chance of reoffending. It’s such a waste.
wishing you the best OP

Unfortunately it's not that simple, and the deciding factor will be the sums involved. OP has never said how much she's admitted to taking. If it was a couple of grand, then yes, it would serve no purpose to jail someone who is clearly remorseful and seeking help. But if the theft amounted to tens of thousands, then the severity of her offending might tip the threshold into jail time. I hope she's okay either way.

Barkingdogbarks · 12/11/2024 09:06

@DowntonNabby
I think you will know A LOT more about this than I do, so I will take what you say as right.

By luck I have never found myself in a situation like the OP, but I can’t honestly say I would do things different to her. Mental health is such a precious thing.

Webbb · 12/11/2024 09:15

I was thinking of you this morning. I do hope you've been given a second chance and can come on and update us. If not, I wish you all the best.

JimPanzee · 12/11/2024 09:15

Hope all went well yesterday 🙏
Just wanted to say, your boss sounds like a really decent person.

DowntonNabby · 12/11/2024 09:16

Oh I'm in the same boat mental health-wise, which is why I've been following the thread. There but for the grace, etc. And I'm no legal expert either, it was just something that occurred to me when she said the starting point was three years in prison. I took that to mean it was the least she could be given.

zingally · 12/11/2024 09:34

I'm guessing, based on the lack of update considering that sentencing was Monday, that OP has received a custodial sentence. Obviously very sad and disappointing for her, and her daughter.

Of course though, there are things we'll never know, which the OP never divulged, such as the amount stolen and the level of sophistication of the fraud. For example, hundreds (or even tens) of thousands stolen in a planned event is very different to a couple of hundred stolen opportunistically. We'll probably never know.

Regardless, I wish OP all the best whatever has happened.

BellaVita · 12/11/2024 09:36

Just found this thread, although I did read your first one.

Hope you are home x

Cornecopia · 12/11/2024 09:38

How did you get on op x

DotPotato · 12/11/2024 10:04

I’m so sad to think of where the OP must be and how she must be feeling right now. Wherever she is I hope she can find people who are good to her, and people she can be good to as well.

Thatwouldbeme · 12/11/2024 10:11

Hope all went well for you and your home 🏡

RunningOutOfImaginitiveUsernames · 12/11/2024 10:20

DowntonNabby · 12/11/2024 08:56

Unfortunately it's not that simple, and the deciding factor will be the sums involved. OP has never said how much she's admitted to taking. If it was a couple of grand, then yes, it would serve no purpose to jail someone who is clearly remorseful and seeking help. But if the theft amounted to tens of thousands, then the severity of her offending might tip the threshold into jail time. I hope she's okay either way.

I believe on the previous thread £35k was mentioned.

Thinking of you OP x

Baguettesandcheeseforever · 12/11/2024 10:24

I’m really hoping for good news from you, OP. Best wishes.

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 12/11/2024 10:38

RunningOutOfImaginitiveUsernames · 12/11/2024 10:20

I believe on the previous thread £35k was mentioned.

Thinking of you OP x

An employee of my aunt’s (accounts) swindled her out of £250K, I think also declared herself bankrupt and got a custodial sentence so OP could have not got a custodial sentence.

On the one hand I’m torn by supporting OP but my aunt was devastated and betrayed (don’t think mental health issues were at play in her case) by what happened.

RogueRascal · 12/11/2024 10:43

I hope it all works out for the op :(

for those saying sums haven’t been mentioned, she has posted the numbers on another post (I found it in the similar posts at the bottom)

originally she thought it was 5k but employer claims 36k

oakleaffy · 12/11/2024 10:50

@Ladieunlucky As a 17 yr old, {homeless} I had a boyfriend who was arrested for a tiny bit of 'cannabis resin'- and as I was with him, I was arrested too- We pleaded 'guilty' - no solicitor! {we weren't advised to get one, and has no money}

  • on the day of the magistrates court hearing, as homeless, we had no idea at all as to the time, and had no bus fare, so were late for court.
{we had to walk to Bow street from the East End where we had a squat in a condemned house}

Being late was ''Contempt of Court'' and a strip search, where I had a tint blim of hash on me. Probably enough for a couple of joints.

The police woman doing the search was triumphant.

''You'll be held on Remand in Holloway for a week'' she crowed.

Holloway back then had a fearsome reputation- I was a kid who was bullied at school and the thought of this was terrifying.

Down in the Cells below Bow Street magistrates Court it was so grim. {Pic}

A wooden bench affixed to the wall had been carved with initials {how, I don't know, as anything sharp was taken off us, like badges pins &c}

''Isa Loves Heroin'' is one that I remember..{Probably Isa was withdrawing}

The other women who soon filled the cell up were actually nice.

One very well dressed woman breezy with amphetamines she'd taken was in for 'Soliciting' , and used the loo {within full view} and said ''Don't worry love, I know everyone there, You'll be okay''- she wasn't remotely scared.

We were moved to Tottenham Court Cells, individual ones, and the policewoman there was lovely.

She said 'Girls, if you will be quiet all night, I can give you each a cigarette- but save half of it for the morning, OK?''

She lit our cigarettes for us. {Pre cigarette ban.

There wasn't ''a week in Holloway'' - the next morning we were seen by the magistrate who seemed irritated {Not with us}

''Conditional Discharge and don't re-offend within six months''.

It was all over a tiny bit of cannabis and being late for court. {Just don't be late!}

However, the advice the Well dressed woman gave while held in the cells was ''Keep your head down, and do your Time''

@Ladieunlucky A book I read after that was ''Inside Out'' by Rosie Johnston -she was sent down along with the rest of her Oxford friends for supplying heroin to Olivia Channon at an end of term party.

Olivia tragically died, it was a really big story at the time in the media- the beginning of the then heroin 'epidemic' that cut across all classes.

Rosie Johnston only served for months out of a six month sentence, due to her involvement, and her book told what it was like to be in England's jails.

The noise was very off-putting , and also 'slopping out' - probably not done these days.

She and others were moved around -Ironically she found Holloway better than ''Bull dyke Hall'' {Bullwood Hall} - her book was like a Michelin guide to English prisons.

What to expect for sentencing at court on Friday?
DizzyBumble · 12/11/2024 11:01

doesn't look good as no update and yet they are letting out hard offenders early due to over crowding

Houseshmouse · 12/11/2024 11:13

This country is an absolute joke!

Spendysis · 12/11/2024 11:25

Thinking of you op

Onthesideofthespiders · 12/11/2024 11:32

Rachie1973 · 12/11/2024 07:50

Not seeming positive :(

Makes me mad. All those people released early because of the overcrowding.

Men. Men released due to overcrowding. That has nothing to do with women’s prisons and sentencing. Women’s prisons are not overcrowded.
The court will simply look at the case and decide the appropriate outcome as they don’t need to consider overcrowded prisons for women’s sentencing.

@DizzyBumble
Not relevant

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