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leese · 15/10/2002 19:05

I'll try to be as brief as poss, but may end up long winded - sorry!
Basically, moved into our cottage ten years ago - it's in a 'village', but a village in the middle of everything else if you know what I mean, so not really so. Anyway, we live in a small lane off the main rd, which is a dead end, so no thru traffic, which is what first appealed to us. To cut a long story short, around five yrs ago a business man bought the cottage at the top of the lane (just down in the dell), and proceeded to petition for it's licence to become a residential home for adults with learning disabilities - he wanted to house five residents, at the same time adding a samll extension. I had no problem with that whatsoever, having worked with people with learning disabilities, and signed his petition in favour (tho' it must be said others in the lane were'nt quite so keen - foresight?....) Anyhow, as soon as it opened, the traffic in our lane doubled overnight (probably more than doubled), as it transpired he was using it as a day centre also, and vans were coming and going all day long. I think the majority of the people who live here soon got fed up, as the staff and visitors have no idea about driving carefully up the lane (they pelt up at top speed in the vans), and refuse to give way where they should ( should mention it's a single track lane with very limited visibility). I really hope this doesn't sound pompous and like a case of 'not in my back yard' - it really isn't, it's just that the traffic has already reached worrying levels. As dd and I walked up the lane last week, hugging the verge, we were all but pushed into the bushes by another of the big vans.
Anyhow, where is all this leading? Despite many letters and a meeting with the owner about the traffic problems, nothing has improved. He has promised to sort it out, but how can you police all the visitors to the home form other areas? Bottom line is, the traffic and its associated problems is here to stay. Last year, he applied to take on three extra residents, and build another extension - some residents went to a council meeting to object - we said our piece, and the councillors took notes, then granted the permission anyway, as I suspected they would - the council needs more places like this in which to house people, so were unlikely to deny it.
Anyway, last week a notice went up to say the owner is now applying for permission to build a third, large extension, housing ten more residents.
From what was a small residential home, a full scale business venture has been born! I am so concerned about what this will do to the area, but am at a loss what to do. We are having another council meeting in a few weeks, when no doubt they will listen to us again, then grant the permission. Does anyone have any knowledge of planning permission/ considerations for residential home etc? I want to go to the meeting armed with some solid facts. I think if you open a home like this, ther should be reasonable access for all - the emergency services have problems negotiating the lane, so would that make a difference? I am not exxagerating when I say there is an accident waiting to happen - the amounts of times cars have almost careered into vans on the blind spot is untrue - how can I convey this without sounding like a whinging housewife?!! Needless to say, there has been lots more going on, which I won't elaborate on now, but a bit of helpful advice would be so much appreciated.
P.S The previous owners of the cottage were turned down for planning permission in the 1980's, because of the problems with access. It seems rather hypocritical that it's ok now

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PamT · 15/10/2002 19:52

I don't work for the council but have spent some time trying to fight a major planning application so I know the sort of things that have been used as evidence.

Firstly, have you got any of the local councillors on your side? If not, invite them round to discuss the issue and show them your concerns. Pester them if necessary and get other people to do it too.

Secondly gather as many facts and figures as possible. Measure the width of the road, take photographs, video, count traffic. A traffic survey will be time consuming but if you can categorise vans, cars, other vehicles over the daylight hours it should prove a point. Look at the entrance to the lane, the entrance to the site, blind spots etc. If you can mock up a head to head situation in the lane for photographic purposes it will highlight the problem.

Thirdly, get as many people to write an objection as possible, its no good for them just to talk about it, they need to put it in writing. If enough objections are sent in, the council have to take notice and will actually investigate the proposal. Invite the full committee to a site visit and tell them when the problems are at their worst.

And lastly, get the papers involved to stir up a bit more support.

Oh, I forgot! Include all the pedestrian safety issues (including those relating to visitors to the home who may be on the lane) and the emergency services access problems, plus the environmental issues and damage to the lane surface regarding all the extra traffic.

Do you want a campaign manager?

leese · 15/10/2002 22:11

Bloody brilliant PamT - you're hired!

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robinw · 15/10/2002 23:09

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PamT · 16/10/2002 10:58

Leese, I'm currently fighting against 300 houses being built very near our local school. I don't object to the houses being built on that particular land, which is reclaimed industrial land. But I do object to the impact that that it will have on roads and school places. I started pestering my local councillor who arranged a public meeting where there was an awful lot of opposition to the plans. I am now currently on his (E)-mailing list and get regular updates from him whenever this proposal is discussed at Committee. He also alerts me of any other controversial plans if they come up because he knows that I will fight for things. Not that I'm a trouble maker of course

Last year I won a fight for a children's play area on our local estate. (New estate residents didn't want the play area because of the noise nuisance but I campaigned because we lost so much when the new estate was built.) It was a planning condition that the play area would be built so they didn't really have a leg to stand on, but councillors had hinted that the equipment could be placed elsewhere if it wasn't wanted. It involved a bit of a public slanging match against me in the local paper but at least I won in the end (but there are still a couple of mums who won't speak to me in the playground!)

That reminds me, I really must write that letter objecting to the waste transfer site that is proposed for the site near the school!

leese · 16/10/2002 11:18

Honestly, this is great. Hadn't considered half of the things brought up by you both.
When you say to check out my local plan robinw, is that something the council would have - could I just call up and get it? Do you think they'd have a copy of the planning permission from the mid eighties, which turned down an extension application from the then residents (for their own home)on the grounds of limited access?
What exactly is supplementary planning guidance robinw? Just additional factors to consider in planning applications? Great call about the human rights act - I'm going to trawl for info on that later.
How exactly did you get into contact with your local councillor PamT? This is something I'd be interested to do, but wouldn't have a clue where to start. Fancy coming to speak at our public meeting either of you?!! Not sure the old councillors would know where to put themselves!! I'll keep you posted

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robinw · 16/10/2002 22:00

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PamT · 17/10/2002 20:44

Our local councillors make themselves quite a target for their constituents to pester! There is a web site for the council as a whole with members details on - phone numbers, email addresses, postal addresses etc and they also put leaflets out every so often "how to contact your councillor". So I do! At the end of the day they are there to represent the wishes of the public and if the majority of the public are of one particular view then the councillor has to fight for that view or they don't get voted in again. Your local Town Hall, Council Office or library will tell you who the councillor for your area is and how to contact them. Don't stop at local councillors either, get your MP or MEP involved - the more people in high places who are on your side the better.

BTW I posted my letter objecting to the proposed waste transfer site yesterday and I'm going to Email my councillor asking him if he has set up the public meeting that he suggested. I'd set up a peace camp if it wasn't so cold

Snugs · 17/10/2002 21:11

PamT - just out of interest, who is applying for the waste transfer site? I know Biffa Waste have a large chunk of the waste 'market' in your area (Leeds-ish if IIRC).

PamT · 18/10/2002 09:23

This is Clough House Developments, the same people who want to build 300 houses on the same site. We suspect that they are doing the waste thing as the site already has haulage permission and might be easier to change slightly, then the houses will seem like a better option after lots of heavy lorries. The 'waste' will be stone and rubble which will come for crushing at the site and then redistributed again, so lots of noise, dust and 500 rumbling lorries every week along the only access road to the Junior, Infant & Nursery school. They are fighting along the lines that the site already has permission for as many tankers to use this route, though current usage is minimal and never at school times. There is a Biffa depot only 200 yards up the road but away from school and doesn't generate much traffic.

PamT · 18/10/2002 09:24

Snugs, I forgot, yes I am in W Yorks but nearer to Huddersfield, not too far from Leeds though.

robinw · 18/10/2002 19:03

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Snugs · 18/10/2002 23:10

PamT - I worked for Biffa at one of their waste transfer sites. The office block was raised on pillars above a car park, the brick crusher was about 500 yards away - and every time it was working my desk moved across the floor.

There is no way this should be anywhere near to a school. The disruption on a noise level alone would be appalling and the dust is uncontrollable. To justify it on grounds of vehicle numbers is laughable.

We are fighting a proposed waste incinerator ? in a residential area and near a school. I helped to start the group that is fighting the council but ended up resigning, partly because people couldn?t understand that I worked for a waste company yet was against the incinerator (they thought I was a spy for the opposition). Now I am a SAHM so no conflict of interests, but no time to go to endless committee meetings either. I attend as many demos and petition signings as I can tho'.

All power to you and I hope you win the fight. Let us know how it goes.

PamT · 19/10/2002 11:04

The 300 houses thing has been going on for a year now, so don't hold your breath on the waste transfer proposals. It goes to committee on 7th November so hopefully I'll know something after that. I imagine that Clough House will take it to appeal with Dept of Env. if they don't get their own way, these big companies always do and generally win by paying for the best lawyers and the council's budget legal department lose everytime.

leese · 25/10/2002 18:13

Gosh, have been dying to get back on here and thank you all - 'specially the essay from robinw full of little gems.... the recent bad weather rendered us offline for a week. Anyhow, we had the council meeting last Monday, but it was just a Parish council meeting. Lots of people from the lane turned up, but noone barr me said anything (funny isn't it?), so I was glad I'd gone prepared. Kept it relatively brief, and only mentioned facts that would be considerations they would take into account - nothing personal. Looked previously at the local plan (as suggested), and put some of that in (sounded good!). The Parish council agrred to back our objections, but I guess we'd a good chance of that as they are in the Parish, therefore likely to object too? The main South Gloucestershire council meeting will be the biggie, but whether we will be able to say anything at that is another matter - maybe we've voiced our view, and thats all we'll be allowed. Anyone know?
Just to say a major thankyou again to everyone - am going to look up robinw's latest web site now

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PamT · 06/11/2002 16:09

I got a letter this week to say that the waste transfer site had been refused planning permission (yay!) and the company had to cease doing what they were doing. Unfortunately my letter of objection hadn't been received until the day after the decision was made (oooops!). So much for my councillor giving me a november date for the meeting! Anyway, that is another battle won. We'll see what happens with the 300 houses now.

leese · 06/11/2002 18:01

Brilliant news PamT - I also got a letter today, saying the council has refused planning permission to the businessman hoping to increase his residential empire - hurrah! He'll probably appeal, but it's one battle won.........
Doesn't it make you feel good?...
Whats happening with your case robinw? (if anything - having read other threads, understand your mind is probably elsewhere at present)

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PamT · 06/11/2002 20:39

That's great news leese. Lets hope he doesn't decide to appeal or at least everyone holds out against him.

Snugs · 07/11/2002 09:59

Brilliant news PamT and leese. They say good things come in 3's so maybe I'll hear they've refused permission for the incinerator soon (I can hope )

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