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ariel · 13/09/2002 11:16

After reading Bobbins devastating loss of her beutifull son to menigitis i thought i would start a thread on this awfull illness.I have posted before about my dd who is now 4 1/2 when she was born 8 wks prem she was very healthy infact she was ready to come home at 13 days old.On day 14 i arrived to see her , her nurse said she had refused her last two feeds but they wernt to worried, i held her for a while, at this point she was not attatched to any monitors as she didnt need them, but i noticed she was breathing normally the nurse looked at her and said she was fine.I then changed her nappy and noticed she didnt look "right" she looked really yellow, but not jaundiced yellow a really strange colour i asked for a doctor to see her and one came straight away and the look on her face said it all.My little girl was rushed into icu and withen 10 minutes was attatced to a life support machine and was hanging on to her life by a thread.I was told they thought it was meningitis but as dd was so ill they could not do a lumber puncture untill she was stable.That night we were woken up and told my darling dd had meningitis and it was unlikly she would make it through the night.We had her babtised and spent the night holding her hand and willing her to live. She did get stronger and she did pull through but this awfull illness has scared her for life, she now has hydrocephalus, cp, she is blind in one eye and her development is severly delayed, . The one thing that scares me so much is that if she was at home i would have not have known, she had no apparant symptoms no rash no raging temp , the one thing i have learnt though is a a mother i know my child best and if im worried about anything however small it seems i see a doctor, i mean thats what their there for, thats why they get paid, I hope i havent upset Bobbin by writing this i just thought this illness needs to be discussed and parents need to know all the facts.

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mears · 13/09/2002 12:25

I already posted the story of my ds having pneumococcal meningitis on Bobbin's thread. Luckily he survived unscathed but again he did not have a rash which is associated with meningococcal meningitis, so parents might not think of meningitis when that is not there. He certainly had a high temperature but it was not until we were in the hospital that he had other signs such as a raised fontanelle and reacted badly when his neck was bent forward. As I said in my story I was asked by the GP did I want to keep him at home or take him in, but my instinct told me there was something seriously wrong. If I had stayed at home he would have died. We were so lucky that he made a full recovery.

Ghosty · 13/09/2002 12:28

Dear Ariel,
Thank you for sharing your story - you must have had a very rough time and life can't be that easy for you now. Thank goodness your dd was in hospital at the time.
We had a Meningitis scare when our DS was 6 weeks old. As soon as the doctor said he had to have a lumbar puncture I knew that they were seriously worried. We were sent to the hospital by a young newly qualified gp who was covering for our normal gp. Our gp would have sent us home with calpol and that would have been that but the young chap was taking no chances and I am grateful to him for that. DS didn't have Meningitis in the end but the hospital kept him in for 5 days and pumped him full of antibiotics to be on the safe side (the lumbar puncture had failed to take enough fluid). It seemed he had picked up a bug from a life saving operation that he had had two weeks before.
My own gp had failed to diagnose my son's other condition and it was with a fight (again because I knew there was something wrong with my baby) that we got him seen that time so I dread to think what would have happened had DS had Meningitis and we had seen our normal gp.
I think it is great that people are more aware of symptoms of Meningitis (the rash, the sensitivity to light etc) but too often you hear of children who have died without the obvious signs (see Bobbin's story on the 'Bereavement' thread) and doctors have said 'but the signs weren't there'.
A mother's instinct is very strong and should be listened to. I know that there are neurotics amongst us (I am one too) and some can take it too far but surely that is part and parcel of motherhood?
I think you have started a good discussion ...

ariel · 13/09/2002 12:44

I also think its important to remember that there are differant forms of meningitis, im no professional so anyone feel free to correct me, the form of meningitis my dd had was strep b, its a form of neonatel meningitis that effects new borns mainly withen the first two weeks.It can be carried in the mothers birth canel but doesnt allways affect the child, new borns who are vunreble(sp?) ie small or prem babys can go on to develop a strep b infection. The crazy thing is it can be detected and treated easily with a vaginal swab and anti biotics if needed, i beleive this test is done as routine ante natel tests in other countries. I had 4 swabs taken in my next pregnancy which were clear. But the really odd thing is i never passed this infection on to dd from my birth canel ,i actully passed it through my breast milk, apparently the doctors said this was the first time they had heard of this, which needless to say did not make me feel any better.

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mears · 13/09/2002 13:29

Ariel,

I am so sorry that you have believed you infected your baby through your breastmilk. Group B strep is found in the rectum and vagina or as aurine infection. One of the problems with detecting group B strep in pregnent women is that the infection is intermittent so, that although you have clear swabs, it does not mean that you do not have the infection.
I have been researching this subject for our unit and infact, women should have vaginal and rectal swabs taken. Our hospital takes high vaginal swabs and this method is not recommended by the Central Disease Control Centre in the USA because the infection may not be picked up. The swab should be taken from the lower part of the vagina as well as rectum.

Your baby sounds as though she had late onset of the disease which can be how it presents. I have seen a woman with group B strep in her breastmilk but the medical staff believed that was transmitted to her by the baby, not the other way around.

Any woman who has a history of having a baby colonised with group B strep should be advised to have intravenous antibiotics in labour, whether or not the infection has shown up on swabs during the current pregnancy or not. There has been a drop in the number of infected babies since the introduction of antibiotics during labour. This infection can have such a devastating outcome as you are aware.

I hope that information helps in some way.

Demented · 13/09/2002 14:16

Ariel, I really feel for you, I carry Strep B as well and have found the support group extremely helpful. Have you been in touch with them? Their website is www.gbss.org.uk, they have the most up-to-date information and if you have any worries or questions they will answer them direct. Certainly the information I got from them about breastfeeding was that it was safe.

Unfortunately it is one of these things that lurks and many women do not know that they carry it and are unaware of the potential risks during pregnancy and birth. Also as Mears says the testing procedures are not the most reliable and many cases are missed.

I really feel for all of you that have been through this, meningitis is awful, every parent's worst nightmare.

PamT · 13/09/2002 15:05

A Thomas the Tank Engine book called Thomas and the Missing Christmas Tree was brought out a few years ago at a price of £1 and all the money from sales went to the National Menningitis Trust in memory of Jack Taylor Fenwick and other children who had died from meningitis. The ISBN number is 0-7497-3331-4. I don't know if this book is still available or if it was just a limited run for that particular year but I was so touched by the story about Jack that I went out to buy the book. I wonder if a new book could be brought out if this one is no longer available?

Ghosty · 13/09/2002 23:01

I see myself as someone who is well educated on most things and read up a lot on child health etc. I am shocked to hear of this Strep B thing as I have never heard of a mother passing Meningitis to her child. Is it common? Why do our hospitals not do routing swabs during labour if there is such a risk. Can you find out if you are a carrier before labour or even before you get pregnant? Why not test for it like they do for the risk of Chromosomal disorders at 12 weeks? Seriously concerned ...

mears · 13/09/2002 23:32

Ghosty,

Not all mothers who have group B strep on a vaginal/rectal swab will infect her baby. Sometimes the swabs will give a false negative result. Rather than swab everybody, women who fit certain categories will be swabbed.
If a woman thinks that her waters have broken before labour starts, a swab is taken when she comes into the hospital for examination. It takes up to 48 hours for that result to come back. If the swab grows group B strep she will be offered antibiotics when she goes into labour. If a woman develops a temperature during labour, antibiotics will be given.
If you have had group B strep in a previous pregnancy you will be offered antibiotics during labour.
Group G strep is more of a risk to babies who are born preterm or when the waters have been broken more than 18 hours, accompanied by a temperature.
Babies can get be affected immediately, or can develop infection at 10-14 days.
The website demented posted gives lots of information - well worth a look.

Bobbins · 13/09/2002 23:52

I must admit, i really want to post here but find it really, really difficult. Just he word meningitis puts the horrors up me. I remember being in the paediatric assessment unit with Harvey on the wednesday before he died (on the monday) and looking at those meningitis posters, and thinking, 'oh dear, he's got at least three of those symptoms'. After he died my mum went into a chemist and saw a similar poster and asked if they thought the doctors actually read these posters. She was feeling quite bitter at the time. The awful thing about Harvey's meningitis ifs that the symptoms were so non specific, he had no bulging fonanelle, no rash, just drowsiness. I'm going to post a very long and tedious account of what actually happened. I've had a few glasses of wine and some tears tonight, so I'm beyond caring. I can't even be bothered to leave out the real names, it al was in the public domain at the inquest anyway!

Bobbins · 14/09/2002 00:15

I would try ancut this down into a nice beat concise narrative, but I think that there are more interesting things to do. I've become somewhat of a reluctant epert on meningitis, since Harvey died.

This is very long and sounds quite clinical, which is how it had to be. its was simply a statement of what happened, I was trying not to colour it with emotion.

I am the mother of Harvey Charles Stevenson Baring, a little boy born on the 20th May 2001 at the Royal Berkshire Hospital, Reading. He resided at *

His birth began following a prolonged spontaneous rupture of the membranes on the 18th May. Labour was induced 48 hours later. Harvey was a full term baby and we managed a vaginal birth. Because of the length of time after my waters broke and my pyrexia towards the end of labour, there was a fear of infection. Both Harvey and myself were kept in the hospital for five days, where we were both given antibiotics.

When we brought Harvey home he was well. He was breast fed until he was six months old and he thrived. Harvey escalated from the 9th percentile on the growth charts at birth, to the 95th percentile at 34 weeks old. He was a fit and healthy baby. Harvey started at the Nursery on January 10th 2002. For three days a week my mother cared for him. The nursery kept a daily record of the children?s development and activities (these records are available). Reports from the Nursery stated that he was a very happy and contented baby and that he was developing very well. Harvey picked up a few colds but we took this as a matter of course and only went to the doctors when we felt that it was really necessary. Harvey seemed unwell on the 21st of January so I took special leave from work and the day after took him to the doctors. The doctor saw that he had an ear infection and prescribed antibiotics, which cleared up the infection very quickly. We made sure he completed the whole course of treatment.

On Monday 18th March 2002 I went to work and Harvey?s Dad, Spencer, dropped Harvey off at my parents' house, as usual. I phoned my parent?s a couple of times during the day, as usual, to check how he was doing. At around 4pm I phoned and Mum said he hadn?t eaten his lunch and he seemed unwell. I could hear him in the background and became very concerned, as he seemed to be moaning and was fretful. I suspected that he might have another ear infection. I asked my Mum if she thought he needed to see the doctor, she said she wasn?t sure so I said I would think about it and phone back. I phoned back a few minutes later and spoke to my Father. I could still hear Harvey?s moaning in the background so I decided we should make an emergency appointment at my GP's surgery. My Mother took him at 4.40pm and they saw Dr ***. He listened to Harvey's chest and took his temperature. He said it was a viral infection and assured my Mum that nothing more than Calpol was required. My Mum brought Harvey home and we gave him Calpol. This seemed to bring his fever down. He had a full meal and milk and went to bed as normal.

On Tuesday 19th March he spent the day with Spencer and his Mum. I was on a ?Fair Selection in Interviewing? course and I rang them at every break. They said he seemed to have improved a little but was off his food still. I came home at 4pm and he did seem a little better. He ate chicken cous cous and fromage frais and played peekaboo and waving games with us, and then went to bed as normal. During the night though, he woke and seemed fretful. We gave him more Calpol but he vomited twice. We were worried because he usually slept through the night. He was very sleepy the next morning, Wednesday 21st March. He usually woke at 7am but didn't do so on this day so I was quite concerned.

Normally he would have been dropped at my mother?s, but because of my concern over his restless night I asked my Mum to come over to our house to care for him. I phoned NHS Direct at this point. Spencer stayed with him until my mother arrived. I was doing some short listing for job interviews and when I phoned throughout the day my Mum said he was still sleeping. She did not give him Calpol because he was sleeping constantly. When Spencer arrived home he went to change Harvey?s nappy and saw what he thought was blood in his urine. He phoned me and I told him to immediately phone the doctor for an emergency appointment. Spencer wanted me there, so he came to pick me up with Harvey. I saw Harvey and panicked. I could see there was something seriously wrong with him. He looked blank and lifeless and he had a high fever. I said to Spencer that we should go straight to Casualty but he reassured me that we should see the GP first. We arrived at the surgery and I went straight to the receptionist to ask if we could be rushed through, which we were. Dr. saw us. She checked Harvey?s chest, ears and throat. We showed her Harvey?s nappy with the bloodstains. Seeing my distress, she seemed very worried. She indicated that she suspected that it was quite serious. She mentioned pneumonia. She told us to get Harvey home straight away and give him Calpol to bring his fever down and then to get him immediately to the Paediatric Assessment Unit at the Royal Berks. We took him home and gave him Calpol as instructed and then arrived at the Unit at approximately 18.00pm. Harvey was still very sleepy and very blank looking. A nurse monitored Harvey?s saturation levels in the waiting room. We sat reading the posters warning us about meningitis. They gave Harvey Baby Ibuprofen because he was still feverish. After about 2 hours Harvey was eventually examined. His chest ears, throat and temperature were checked and he was weighed. The first time he was weighed he poohed when I was taking him off the scales. It was very runny and everyone laughed. I was worried because as it was obviously diarrhoea. In the confusion the nurses forgot his weight so I volunteered that they should weigh him again even though I remembered that the weight was 10.8 kilos. They did a urine analysis and said it was not blood in his nappy but that it did test positive for protein. They said that when he got better we should have another test done. They said they were happy with Harvey as his temperature had come down and they sent us home as the Unit was closing at 9pm. They again concluded that this was a viral infection. We were given a letter for our GP, Dr *, which I have since read and it just said 'push fluids and manage with Calpol'. I asked about giving him more Baby Ibuprofen and they said this was appropriate and told us where we could get some. We drove to Tesco?s in Reading but they didn?t have any so we went home and tried to make do with Calpol. Harvey was still quite lifeless and lethargic. We saw that at the hospital they had forced fluids with a syringe so that he would pee and they could do their urine analysis. We decided we would do that too so that Harvey would not get dehydrated.

On Thursday 22nd March Harvey was still in exactly the same condition. I had slept by his cot all night to be there for him. I decided to stay at home with him and I phoned work and the Nursery to inform them of the situation. During the day I kept meticulous records of all fluids and Calpol given to Harvey. My Mum came over with some Baby Ibuprofen. Harvey had diarrhoea during the day and was still not feeding properly or responding to me as he usually did. In the evening I again phoned NHS Direct and from our conversation I gathered that they were very concerned about the symptoms I was describing. They told me to again try to contact the Paediatric Assessment Unit, which I did, but as there was no response I again phoned NHS Direct. In the meantime we had also phoned the emergency doctor for our GP's surgery, which that evening was Redoc. A doctor phoned back and said that this would be quite normal with a viral infection, but that we should go up and see the Redoc doctor in the Royal Berks Maternity ward.

We arrived at the Redoc surgery at about 9.30pm. The Redoc doctor did the familiar checks on Harvey?s ears, chest and throat. I told him that Harvey had been unusually sleepy since Tuesday night. He wondered whether it might be Harvey's bedtime. At this surmise I was more than a little exasperated. The doctor seemed to think that Harvey?s chest sounded a little rattly, and also, when he moved Harvey?s head, he seemed uncomfortable and he squealed quite sharply. He was about to prescribe antibiotics. I again stressed that Harvey had been sleeping for such a long time and told him about our syringe feeding of him. He decided that we had better see a paediatrician and sent us to Kempton Ward.

They took his history and carried out the usual checks. The paediatrician moved Harvey?s head back and he squealed. She managed to get a look into his mouth and concluded that his tonsils were inflamed but there was no sign of infection. I asked her whether she was sure there was no need for antibiotics and she said, no, he would not be eating because of the soreness in his throat and we should continue with fluids and Calpol. The nurse made a point of telling me that I had "turned him around" and it was good to see "a sensible mother" due to the fact that we had been forcing fluids into Harvey.

Relieved, but still not quite convinced, we took Harvey home. Again, I slept by him.

On Friday 22nd March, there was no change. Spencer stayed at home with Harvey. He was still very drowsy and not really responding to any stimulus. Spencer kept another meticulous record of all fluids and Calpol and Baby Ibuprofen given. There was no improvement in our little boy?s condition.

On Saturday 23rd March 2002, I had to go into work so my Mum came over to look after Harvey for five hours. I phoned constantly whilst at work but there was still no change. My Mum tried to reassure me that he had at least opened his eyes for a long period of time, although he did not really seem to be registering what was going on in the world around him. Spencer arrived home around 2pm and he decided to get Harvey dressed to meet me at the end of the road when I got home from work. I saw Harvey and I was very worried. He looked so very blank and pale. We measured his breathing which was very rapid at 60 breaths per minute. I phoned NHS Direct again and gave them a summary of what had been happening that week and then told them the three major things we were worried about. These were: his rapid breathing, his pale and blotchy pallor and the fact that he seemed to be scared when he was picked up. Obviously NHS Direct were worried, and they told me to phone the emergency doctor again and to say exactly what I had told them. We got to the emergency doctor as quickly as possible. This time it was Bedroc. We arrived at around 5.30pm. This new doctor was mainly concerned about the fact that these problems had been going on for such a long time and that his chest was sounding rattly. We were sent to Kempton Ward again. When we arrived there at about 17.45pm, **, the paediatric registrar, seemed irate that we had arrived when we had. She told us that she had said to Bedroc to send us at 7pm and that she hadn?t had a break for ages. I was angry but tried to retain an element of calm, informing her that we had not been told a time, just to get straight round to the ward. A nurse monitored Harvey?s saturation levels. Another, more junior doctor did the usual checks of his ears, throat and chest. We told this doctor about what had been happening all week. She tried to get Harvey to respond to her but he couldn?t and we asserted that he hadn?t been responding to us properly since Tuesday and that he seemed to react in a scared way when we moved him. She said his chest sounded clear so they wouldn?t give him an X-ray. At about 9pm they took some blood from Harvey. Whilst they were doing this work on Harvey the doctor and nurse engaged in conversations, in front of us, about the last time the staff had sat down for a break. They also informed us that the Paediatric Assessment Unit had been closed that day and they had had to take on their caseload.

We asked incessantly for them to give Harvey some Calpol because he seemed in so much pain and eventually the nurse persuaded the junior doctor that we could give him some, and they gave him 2.5mls. She insisted she had had to do a lot of persuading to get us this little bit of painkiller. A little later they decided they should do a chest x-ray. That came back clear. Around 10pm they told us they wanted to keep Harvey in overnight, just to monitor his oxygen levels, as his saturation level had been low a few hours before. Spencer and I decided that he should drive home to get Harvey some milk and Calpol. I wasn?t keen on staying in at all and I told a nurse about this. I also asked her if we could have more Calpol as Harvey still seemed in pain and scared and his breathing was getting worse. I asked her if she thought Harvey would be all right and told her of my fears. She reassured me and told me that if Harvey?s saturation levels went down in the night they would blow oxygen over him.

Within an hour or so Harvey started to deteriorate. This was around 10pm. His breathing became more laboured and he looked even more scared. I got in his cot with him. I realised he was really suffering so went to hassle the nurse, as I already had, for more Calpol. This junior doctor was apparently very cautious about giving Calpol. I persuaded the nurse he needed more so she weighed him and determined that for Harvey?s weight he actually needed 8mls of Calpol. I was relieved, but Harvey still seemed to get worse, the nurse put an oxygen mask on him and a constant monitor. Spencer and I were very scared. I looked at Harvey?s pupils and saw that they were fixed and dilated. I tried to tell the doctors and nurses but it took a while for them to pay attention to us. Eventually came back down and affirmed that his pupils were fixed and dilated and that Harvey was fitting. She instructed the nurse to get anti-fitting drugs. This seemed to take forever and I asked if I should go and see what was happening. She said yes, and that the nurses should come back to the bed so that she could go and get the right dosage herself. I ran round and the nurses said they were all right and dealing with it. Everyone was panicking. I was jumping up and down in horror. Eventually they got the anti-fitting drugs and it stopped Harvey?s fitting quite quickly. I asked ** if perhaps these were febrile convulsions and whether it might cause any lasting damage. She tried to reassure me it wouldn?t. I knew I was asking difficult questions. They then put Harvey on antibiotics and anti-virals, Harvey was now partially sedated. This was around 2am.

Harvey was taken up to Hurley Ward. He seemed to be a bit more stable but his breathing was extremely laboured. We were all absolutely exhausted. I stayed with him until 6.30am then Spencer took a turn. At around 9am Spencer thought Harvey was fitting again and he tried to get attention for him but was told there were no doctors available, and that another baby had stopped breathing on the same ward. I came through and saw that Harvey was fitting again. By this time Dr had arrived and he told me he was worried about the anti-fitting drugs and sedation interfering with Harvey?s breathing. Soon after Dr. * left it became obvious Harvey was fitting strongly. He was clearly petrified. They gave him more drugs. From then on he was fully sedated. A couple of hours later we were told he needed to be transferred to intensive care. This was about mid day on the Sunday.

Apparently his breathing now got even worse on the transfer to ICU. Harvey was put on a ventilator. He was given another chest x-ray, which was clear and a CT scan was arranged for about 13.30pm.

On Sunday 24th March we were told that Harvey might be transferred to The John Radcliffe Hospital for further treatment after the CT scan. As it happened, once the neurologists at John Radcliffe saw the scans, they said there was no hope for Harvey and no point in moving him. The brain scans revealed that all his higher brain function had now gone.

On Monday 25th March there were still more consultations with the Oxford neurologists, but eventually we were told that a brain stem test and a lumbar puncture would be carried out. Once this was done Harvey was pronounced brain stem dead at 13:45pm. After being baptised, Harvey was taken off the respirator. We stayed with him until 17:00pm

mears · 14/09/2002 00:29

Oh Bobbins - what can I say. As you know we had a similar experience but not your devastating outcome. Like you I don't understand why something wasn't done earlier. Meningitis takes so many different forms and comes in so many different guises. We were so lucky.
I have posted to you on the bereavement thread with a suggestion of help. You both ned support.

Ghosty · 14/09/2002 00:55

Oh Bobbins ... this is the most awful thing I have ever read, you poor, poor love. I feel rage that no-one listened to you, I feel the despair that you must have gone through. I can't see anymore for tears. I am thinking of you so much.

ScummyMummy · 14/09/2002 01:13

Ghosty- that's what I feel too. I'm so very very sorry, Bobbins.

Shattered · 14/09/2002 09:20

Me too Bobbins - I'm very very sorry.

Mopsy · 14/09/2002 10:51

Bobbins I am so, so sorry that Harvey and your family were failed in this way. You are in my thoughts x

robinw · 14/09/2002 15:12

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Bobbins · 14/09/2002 16:19

robinw > that would be progress. where did you read about it? There is a vaccination for type b meningitis, I think its called Prevenar, and I think its used quite routinely in the states. They have managed to persuade people round to its benefits by stressing that it prevents ear infections. The government is being very trepidatious (is that a word?), about introducing it here. I think this is because a.) its expensive (about £100!! not much to save a life, but the head count for this disease is only about 50 people a year) and b.) I think routine vaccination is so controversial here...read MMR.

Harvey's only other illness was an ear infection. I'm not a scientist but I can't help that his previous ear infection had something to do with how the infection got into his meninges. I've had meetings with the head paediatrician since Harvey's death, and the conclusion tends to be that the original bug wore down his immune system and that he didn't develop the meningitis until the Friday. I have two problems with this. Firstly, why did they not treat the original bug (I'm sympatheticto all the problems wth handing out antiobiotics willy nilly). Secondly, the post mortem showed that Harvey had really quite advanced sepsis/meningitis(three to four days), but he deferred to the paeditricians account of contemporaneous events.

We were again unlucky at the inquest as the coroner that was meant to deal with Harvey's inquest, well, unfortunately his wife was taken critically ill the day befroe, so the deputy coroner was brought in the day before, which meat he only had one day to familiarise himself with the case. He called the dr who had done the post mortem last, the original coroner was going to call him first. I don't know if you can see, but I think this would have affected the dynamics of the whole inquest.

i accept that meningitis (especially this strain) is notoriously difficult to diagnose. This is why I don't wish to take things further. The symptoms are so similar to the ones that dr's see ten times a day. The thing that still distresses me is the fact that we kept going back, and his symptoms were persistent for so many days. i don't like going to the dr's, i only go when I feel that its really necessary. perhaps that was part of the problem. I worried about appearing neurotic.

To reiterate, my main problem is that our knowledge of Harvey's usual condition, and how he had been all week, was not given priority, the concentration was on his presenting symptoms.

Bobbins · 14/09/2002 17:02

have a look at \linkwww.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,3605,554746,00.html\this{}

Hmm...this link making just ain't working for some reason. If you're interested you'll just have to copy and paste this into browser.

www.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,3605,554746,00.html

apparently many of us carry this bug harmlessly in our noses.

SueDonim · 14/09/2002 17:10

Here's a link about the new test. Saliva Test

Bobbins · 14/09/2002 17:29

Thanks SueDonim.

I don't know if anyone will understand, but if this system is able to be introduced and will detect streptococcus I will be ecstatic, but also feel quite angry that it couldn't have been around earlier this year.

robinw · 14/09/2002 21:49

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Demented · 14/09/2002 21:59

Bobbins, I'm with everyone else on this one, you are so brave and your posts are so touching, most have had me in tears, Harvey looks and sounds as though he was a gorgeous little boy. Don't really know what else to say, but I like everyone else on Mumsnet I am thinking about you.

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Bagpipes · 19/04/2003 11:46

Oh Bobbins - You are a very, very brave, strong woman - writing this story and sharing it with us. I am so saddend to hear of your tragic lost. I can only whole heartedly agree that GPs, Hospitals etc.. do not take parents seriously enough. I am here in NZ and I know our population is very small but our country has a very high death rate with this mengingitis. My wee boy, had just finished at a preschool in the May, and a little girl aged 17mths two months later lost the battle with it too. She had symptons of a cold, and as she suffers from Asthma, her mother thought the rapid breathing was just asthma. Bobbins I have really appreciated you sharing this very, very sad story -and I am sure you would of touched the hearts of many, many parents out there - who will hopefully remember what you had to go thru, and how you tried to make GPS, and paed. etc.. take notice!!!!!I know with my youngest - who is only 20wks, I will always remember your sweet wee Harvey.

Bobbins · 19/04/2003 12:45

Bagpipes...Thanks

Still...crying....over..him...he...was...gorgeous