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Gender fluidity - genuine curiosity

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grey12 · 17/05/2020 15:45

I have searched about it but I just don't understand it at all

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Doyoumind · 17/05/2020 15:47

It just means wearing what you like but making a big song and dance about it and has sod all to do with your sex.

Biancadelrioisback · 17/05/2020 15:51

It essentially means that a person isn't confined by what they feel society dictates to their sex ie a man can wear makeup and dresses, they feel they associate themselves with stereotypical feminine things, however they can also easily still associate themselves with typically masculine things as and when they choose. Or they can even combine the two. At any given time, they can be masculine or feminine depending on how they feel.

Lordfrontpaw · 17/05/2020 15:55

It means nothing. Or that someone is just trying to seem interesting.

Biancadelrioisback · 17/05/2020 15:56

It's basically admitting that we as a society are governed by stereotypes and, in a way, a very sexists attitude. They can choose to be "female" one day by wearing dresses and makeup and "male" the next day by wearing trousers and a hoodie...completely disregarding that women can and do wear "male" clothing.
Also, there have been news stories where some gender fluid people expect or try to gain access to single sex spaces depending on how they feel that day and being offended if they are refused because they are not of that sex

Destroyedpeople · 17/05/2020 15:58

It means that boys can wear dresses and not be embarrassed. Women have been 'gender fluid' for years but obviously that is not half so interesting as a man in a frock telling us what is what.

Lordfrontpaw · 17/05/2020 16:43

But fluid implies neither here nor there. Should be changed to ‘errrrrrrrrr’ or ‘idunno’. Makes about as much sense - gender is just a load of hooey. May as well ask people to announce their name and their star sign.

grey12 · 17/05/2020 17:38

Hummm see! That's my issue. That all just says to me cross-dressing! That's all. Just a very sexist view of what a woman or man should wear.

Is it because cross dressing is associated with the excess of drag queens?? So they made up a different name?

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mortforya · 17/05/2020 17:55

I am sick to death of hearing about gender shit and how anyone can identify as anything, for example, there is seemingly now a new gender where u can identify urself as an object:ie, a table or u can identify as male but a part of ur body, like your arm can identify as female.

Seriously to all the tables and chairs out there, cop the fuck on🙄

CatandtheFiddle · 17/05/2020 18:14

Just a very sexist view of what a woman or man should wear

Yup. But so, so so, not rugby boys wearing schoolgirl outfits.

"Gender fluid" is like , progressive, like, and so really really political, like sticking a finger up at the establishment, like?

LastTrainEast · 17/05/2020 18:32

Everyone is gender fluid really or ought to be. If you're a man who gets emotional over a movie or a woman engineer then you are breaking the Victorian (or earlier) stereotypes. And good riddance to them.

Women invented being gender fluid when they insisted that being a woman wasn't about wearing frilly dresses and make-up. That they could do anything a man could do. That they could wear jeans and still be a woman.

Then men got hold of the idea and built a mythology around it. Treating the crudest stereotypes as set in stone and claiming that whether you are a man or a woman depends not on biology but on which list of stereotypes you currently follow.

By following different ones on different days you could even change sex several times a week or if you were really cool/advanced you could be neither sex.

They got gender (ever changing personality) confused with sex (unchanging biology)

DrDavidBanner · 17/05/2020 18:39

I think as a society we have regressed I the last 10-20 years, new romantics, glamour rockets and goths were all very comfortable expressing different side a to their masculinity.

I don't know if social media or reality TV has narrowed our view of how a man and a woman should present, but there seems to be much less individuality these days.

In a way I think that this is one aspect that feminism has given women an advantage over men in that our foremother's fought for the right to express themselves and not be as society expected them to be and we have benefited from that, whereas men still seem to be a bit in the dark ages when it come to "widening the bandwidth of what it means to be a man" to paraphrase...ahem.

Anyway TLDR: its a load of bollocks tying us to the same yoke but with different ropes.

grey12 · 17/05/2020 19:25

@LastTrainEast breaking the stereotypes is all good :)
I don't wear makeup, don't take that much time on my clothes and hair, and did engineering at uni. I don't look nerdy or weird or masculine by any measure, just normal. And this doesn't make me any less of a woman.

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