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Grammar Q - what's the alternative to an Oxford comma?

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roisin · 01/10/2004 17:16

I always use an Oxford comma:
I went to the shop to buy apples, pears, oranges, and grapes.
AND
I wanted to buy apples, pears, oranges, or grapes.

Our school apparently does not teach an Oxford comma :
I went to the shop to buy apples, pears, oranges and grapes.
But then what?
Is it:
I wanted to buy apples, pears, oranges, or grapes.
OR
I wanted to buy apples, pears, oranges or grapes.

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ks · 01/10/2004 17:18

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Tinker · 01/10/2004 17:19

I'd say the latter. I obviously don't use Oxford comma either and I'd write the latter

lou33 · 01/10/2004 17:24

I was taught the latter way.

lou33 · 01/10/2004 17:24

Ks, I KNEW you would be on here!

SoupDragon · 01/10/2004 17:26

I have never heard of an Oxford comma! I was taught the latter one (ie no comma before the "or" or "and")

marthamoo · 01/10/2004 17:27

Lynne Truss says either is correct. I don't use one, btw so would choose the latter.

Hulababy · 01/10/2004 17:29

I was taught the latter too. Have to say I have never heard of an Oxford comma either.

agy · 01/10/2004 17:31

If you say "apples,pears, oranges, or grapes" its as though you're choosing between buying all of the first three, or the grapes. IYSWIM!

marthamoo · 01/10/2004 17:34

Lynne Truss, from "Eats, Shoots and Leaves":

There are people who embrace the Oxford comma and people who don't, and I'll just say this: never get between these people when drink has been taken....

In Britain, where standard usage is to leave it out, there are those who put it in - including, interestingly, "Fowler's Modern English Usage."

.....

My own feeling is that one shouldn't be too rigid about the Oxford comma. Sometimes the sentence is improved by including it; sometimes it isn't.

(does that help? moo xx)

lou33 · 01/10/2004 17:34

Oxford comma , and here too

marthamoo · 01/10/2004 17:34

That's Lynne Truss' "own feeling", btw - not mine.

roisin · 01/10/2004 18:19

Thanks for the answers about the comma before 'or', that's helpful.

I'm fairly passionately attached to my Oxford commas I must admit; they just seem to make so much more sense to me - especially in more complicated lists: but I am old enough not to argue about them I was actually taught this way at school, but subsequently worked for OUP too, so that no doubt had an influence.

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KateandtheGirls · 01/10/2004 18:22

I'm another one who has never heard of it, and I always thought that there shouldn't be a comma there.

tamum · 01/10/2004 18:23

I'm with you roisin, even though I didn't know it was called that. I'm sure thinking back that one or more of my favourite children's authors used it (Noel, maybe??) and that's why I decided I would do it too

JanH · 01/10/2004 19:31

To me the other commas indicate a pause between spoken words - would you also pause before saying the "or" or "and"? If so there should be another comma and if not there shouldn't. I think!

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